The Ongoing Dog Attack Mega-Thread

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

Or you could properly socialize/train your dog so it's not afraid or unpredictable when approached by excited children.

This is the mentality that caused the death of that old woman and plenty of other people. I'm sure her dog was properly socialized and trained and I'm sure he was typically at ease with strangers. Then one day he's not because at the end of the day he's still a simple minded animal. After how many savage fatalities have we heard how the dog was always gentle and great with people prior to the incident? I don't think you can ever be overly cautious when it comes to the welfare of strangers around your dog. Especially children.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Is it possible your newfie just has a mild disposition naturally versus you being a super wicked dog whisperer? I've never had a dog, so I honestly don't know, but I'd assume the nature of an animal would also play a gigantic role in how calm they are.

I never claimed to be a super wicked dog whisperer. Thanks though. Maybe I can get a TV show.

My actual claim was to being a responsible pet owner who properly trained and socialized his dog.

It's not rocket science and EVERY dog owner should understand how to socialize their dog and know how to address unwanted behaviour.

Some people, especially it seems those who own small out of control dogs that can cause chaos in dog parks, seem to believe that because they can't harm anyone with a bite, their horrible behaviour is okay and doesn't need to be addressed.

Typically some yappy little mutt with no social training and who doesn't respond to voice commands acts aggressively to every dog it encounters. When trouble inevitably starts the crummy owners run in to pick up their dog and don't bother to address the aggressive behaviour because its "so cute".

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

This is the mentality that caused the death of that old woman and plenty of other people. I'm sure her dog was properly socialized and trained and I'm sure he was typically at ease with strangers. Then one day he's not because at the end of the day he's still a simple minded animal. After how many savage fatalities have we heard how the dog was always gentle and great with people prior to the incident? I don't think you can ever be overly cautious when it comes to the welfare of strangers around your dog. Especially children.

You almost made my point for me. I was referring to your dog and his lack of socialization as much as the dog responsible for the attack. You blame other dog owners but take no responsiblity for your dog who you admit is unpredictable.

If you're afraid to have your on-leash dog encounter children on the street, you're doing it wrong.

[sun]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I have a 30lb dog and I'm terrified when kids run towards him to pet him. I usually pull my dog away and go in a different direction. It's not that my dog is aggressive but he's an animal at the end of the day and they can be unpredictable when startled. The worst thing an owner can do is assume because his dog is gentle with people in the home that he is going to be gentle with everyone else. Be smarter as an owner and be smarter as a parent.

You either rescued your dog or you failed to socialize him properly in the critical first four months of his life. Your dog also picks up on your "terror" and has learned children are to be feared. Rehabilitation is possible, but if the dog is bad with children, then yes it is up to the owner to recognize that and control the interaction. Particularly if he wasn't taught proper bite inhibition, again, as a puppy.

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

This is the mentality that caused the death of that old woman and plenty of other people. I'm sure her dog was properly socialized and trained and I'm sure he was typically at ease with strangers. Then one day he's not because at the end of the day he's still a simple minded animal. After how many savage fatalities have we heard how the dog was always gentle and great with people prior to the incident? I don't think you can ever be overly cautious when it comes to the welfare of strangers around your dog. Especially children.

Why on earth would you assume both of these claims? The owner might have believed it to be true, but owners often have no clue. Sure, a dog is a simple-minded animal, but some dogs are well trained, properly socialized, soft mouthed, simple-minded animals. It's up to the owner to put in the effort and many do not.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

You almost made my point for me. I was referring to your dog and his lack of socialization as much as the dog responsible for the attack. You blame other dog owners but take no responsiblity for your dog who you admit is unpredictable.

If you're afraid to have your on-leash dog encounter children on the street, you're doing it wrong.

Lets back up a bit as I never said my dog is unpredictable. I said animals are unpredictable. How are you guys turning this on me taking no responsibility? I'm the guy that would simply doesn't want little kids running towards my dog. It has nothing to do with training and more to do with ensuring the protection of other people's children.

[Erick Estrada]

Mod edit- removed.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Why do I get the impression you live in a house with a paved-over lawn, a 14 year old Toyota Camry parked out front, no ornaments or paintings inside, uniform beige carpet and furniture, and a TV always tuned to home maintenance or financial planning programming.

Lol . I actually laughed really hard at this. I can see how I give that tone off but I really live in the opposite world.

I have no car, I dont even have license I gave it up 4 years ago, Theire is zero need for me to. My back yard is literally a forrest, no carpet its all green marble tile and I dont have cable all about the netflixs...... I just really hat dogs now... 2 years ago me loved them but now not so much

Too many bad owners = to many bad dogs unfortunately.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Why do I get the impression you live in a house with a paved-over lawn, a 14 year old Toyota Camry parked out front, no ornaments or paintings inside, uniform beige carpet and furniture, and a TV always tuned to home maintenance or financial planning programming.

This could easily stain, creating needless work. It's also more difficult to clean than a hard floor. What he should really have is green marble t-

... oh.

[OMG!WTF!]

Green marble hides the blood.

[OMG!WTF!]

nm.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Reading this article made me feel sick

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/21/us/de...irl-wednesday/

I'm all for a dangerous dog breed ban with pitbulls on top of the list. Sure you can argue that it's the owner's fault, but you will never be able to get rid of stupid dog owners, so banning the breed is really the only option

[peter12]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Lol . I actually laughed really hard at this. I can see how I give that tone off but I really live in the opposite world.

I have no car, I dont even have license I gave it up 4 years ago, Theire is zero need for me to. My back yard is literally a forrest, no carpet its all green marble tile and I dont have cable all about the netflixs...... I just really hat dogs now... 2 years ago me loved them but now not so much

Too many bad owners = to many bad dogs unfortunately.

This is the best post on here.

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Reading this article made me feel sick

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/21/us/de...irl-wednesday/

I'm all for a dangerous dog breed ban with pitbulls on top of the list. Sure you can argue that it's the owner's fault, but you will never be able to get rid of stupid dog owners, so banning the breed is really the only option

Like Ontario did right? What was the effect on dog bites after the ban?

How do you define “dangerous breed”? Number of recorded bites? Bite force?

[foshizzle11]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Reading this article made me feel sick

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/21/us/de...irl-wednesday/

I'm all for a dangerous dog breed ban with pitbulls on top of the list. Sure you can argue that it's the owner's fault, but you will never be able to get rid of stupid dog owners, so banning the breed is really the only option

Me too, also makes me sick. This comes down to having irresponsible pet owners again. Having these dangerous dogs loose in the neighborhood is the problem. Having 3 powerful dogs together, that is a pack. That is a lot harder to control even when on leash let alone off.

This is heartbreaking. But isn't there stats out there about dog attacks from other breeds just increase when pitbulls are banned?

https://globalnews.ca/news/3908748/p...n-bites-proof/

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[Oling_Roachinen]

GunsDogs aren't the problems. It's irresponsible owners. There's no reason for an assault weaponpit-bull ban as there will still be gunsdogs available and only criminals will have assault riflespit-bulls.

[foshizzle11]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Reading this article made me feel sick

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/21/us/de...irl-wednesday/

I'm all for a dangerous dog breed ban with pitbulls on top of the list. Sure you can argue that it's the owner's fault, but you will never be able to get rid of stupid dog owners, so banning the breed is really the only option

Me too, also makes me sick. This comes down to having irresponsible pet owners again. Having these dangerous dogs loose in the neighborhood is the problem. Having 3 powerful dogs together, that is a pack. That is a lot harder to control even when on leash let alone off. People need to be trained, it should be a part of regular school curriculum to teach kids about dog behaviour and what to look for. So at least when they become adults they can make the right choices and have some sense of dog behaviour and responsibility.

This is heartbreaking and never should happen, there are zero excuses, these dogs have to be put down there is no doubt about that. This can be prevented with education and maybe a licensing system or something as we have talked about a lot in this thread. Isn't there stats out there about dog attacks from other breeds just increase when pitbulls are banned?

https://globalnews.ca/news/3908748/p...n-bites-proof/

I can't seem to embed the graphic from this article, but basically the total number of dog bites hasn't decreased since the pit bull ban in Ontario was implemented in 2005.

The Toronto Humane Society wrote in a 2013 paper that breed-specific bans seemed to have no effect on the overall number of serious dog bites.

The THS cited Calgary’s system as a model to emulate. Calgary, which has seen a five-fold reduction in its dog bite rate over a 20-year period, focuses on training and accountability for dog owners, not on the breed of a particular dog. Calgary also puts resources into dog safety for the general public, especially children.

Communities elsewhere in the world have seen similar results.

I know this is just one article, but I have read others out there that support this.

I really think that educating people is a huge part of this. I started fostering dogs a few years ago and I thought I knew a lot before I started, I knew basically nothing about dog behaviour.

You see it all the time. On the weekend, I was at the Calgary Rugby Union and this is a dog friendly place in the summer. There are kids everywhere, adults, dogs, balls flying everywhere, even alcohol/open consumption in the facility.

Some people don't recognize simple dog behaviour, like "oh, they were both wagging their tails, so I was surprised when they growled and lunged at each other to fight." But they didn't notice that both dogs had their ears straight up, chest out, pulling on their leashes. Tails straight up in the air in an aggressive position instead of low and down for a calm and balanced dog.

[Sliver]

Omg, this is so sad. RIP to the victim and condolences to her family. An 83 year old woman was attacked and killed by her neighbour's dogs in Calgary this afternoon.

https://calgaryherald.com/news/local...calgary-police

What a horrific way to die.

[Macman]

Yeah that’s pretty brutal, and they won’t say what breed of dogs they are. What are the chances that there were previous issues with these dogs and owner?

Owning a dog isn’t a right, if you can’t even be bothered to pick up after it you shouldn’t have one let alone a constantly barking or aggressive one.

[Erick Estrada]

Three pitbulls. To make it to 83 years of age and have to go out like that is just terrible and senseless.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Macman

Yeah that’s pretty brutal, and they won’t say what breed of dogs they are. What are the chances that there were previous issues with these dogs and owner?

Owning a dog isn’t a right, if you can’t even be bothered to pick up after it you shouldn’t have one let alone a constantly barking or aggressive one.

Dog owners are out of control. I was at Brewsters on the patio on Friday night and had to leave. Some dope of the highest order was there with his German Sheppard and it was barking this deep, loud, grating bark non-fataing-stop. The waitress went over there and what did she do? She started petting him. Eww. Now you're going to touch my dinner plate and drink glasses? Fata that, I left.

People who bring their dogs to patios are so fataing entitled and dumb. And restaurants allowing dogs on their patios are terrible.