The Tesla Thread

[polak]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

They've been selling 'mass produced' vehicles to the public for less than six years, did you expect them to be Toyotas?

All I was saying was that the doors are dumb.

I actually really want a model S.

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by Maccalus

This post showcases the doors opening in a garage with 88" of clearance, (similar to an average parkade.)

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/posts/1462616/

Spoiler!

I am not a huge fan of doors as I think they are needlessly complex, but they do work in the vast majority of situations.

Wonder how many times the guy is going to hit his head on the door while getting out.

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by Burninator

A drawing I found online said the Model 3 is 2.36m high with it's door open. Minimum parkade clearance allowed in Calgary is 2.15m.

Originally Posted by Maccalus

This post showcases the doors opening in a garage with 88" of clearance, (similar to an average parkade.)

As someone who drives a truck with ~6'8 clearance I can tell you, you are both hopelessly wrong on this, parkades with even that kind of clearance are few and far between, yet alone ones over 7'.

[bossy22]

the minimum height refers to the lowest point in the parkade. sprinkler heads, some beams, pipes etc. Most parking lots, once you are in would have ample room, depending on your stall. I've had both at my old parkade. One stall was under some overhang, near the wall, and just cleared my 1/2 ton. My other stall was in the middle and had a lot of overhead space. The only ones that I know of that could fit your truck would be the 1st level of the Bow and Livingstone place and Telus. I believe it's 6'11 at the Bow. Regardless, the car can drive into a good chunk of the parkades, and it would depend on their stall whether or not the doors can open.

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by polak

Different =/= Innovative

There's nothing innovative about it.

What do these doors change? Do they better the experience in anyway? Cause it sounds like there's only drawbacks.

Oh?

In a note to Tesla Model X reservation holders last week, CEO Elon Musk assured them that the electric SUV was on its way, and with the much ballyhooed falcon-wing doors. To get those doors to work took a lot of technical know-how though, and several patents as well.

For the engineering types out there, we’ve got some patent porn courtesy of Teslamondo for you, showing all the challenges Tesla had to overcome with the falcon-wing doors.

Musk has said he wants the opening of the Model X rear doors to be an experience that takes your breath away, perhaps one of the reasons why the electric SUV has been twice delayed. For one, the falcon-wing doors require dual hinges, as well as a somewhat complicated control system to ensure they close smoothly and without taking your head off. There are also probably several redundancies worked into the door, should the power cut out or some such thing.

http://cleantechnica.com/2014/06/26/...on-wing-doors/

Again, say what you want about the doors as a feature of the car, but the innovation Tesla is brining to the car industry outweighs every traditional manufacturer combined. Look no further than the number of TV ads for cars with 'backup cameras!' to understand how terrible car companies have been at improving the industry in technology, safety, emissions.. Anything really.

Best part about the backup camera push is it was legislated to be mandatory, somehow is a looked at as a selling feature.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by Dan02

As someone who drives a truck with ~6'8 clearance I can tell you, you are both hopelessly wrong on this, parkades with even that kind of clearance are few and far between, yet alone ones over 7'.

I am not hopelessly wrong. I am entirely correct actually. I just said what the minimum required clearance required by the City of Calgary is, nothing more.

[polak]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Oh?



http://cleantechnica.com/2014/06/26/...on-wing-doors/

Again, say what you want about the doors as a feature of the car, but the innovation Tesla is brining to the car industry outweighs every traditional manufacturer combined. Look no further than the number of TV ads for cars with 'backup cameras!' to understand how terrible car companies have been at improving the industry in technology, safety, emissions.. Anything really.

Best part about the backup camera push is it was legislated to be mandatory, somehow is a looked at as a selling feature.

That quote is exactly why I think it's dumb. I can't imagine how expensive those doors will be to fix once your warranty ends cause by the sounds of it, you won't be able to use any parts from any other door. You'll be stuck paying out the ass to Tesla for their special patented crap that is only used on this one niche model of car. Hate it. HATE stuff like that.

A back up camera serves a purpose. A door that opens up instead of swinging or sliding is just a needlessly complicated gimmick and it sounds like they're proud of just how expensive and inefficient maintaining it will be once your warranty ends.

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Look no further than the number of TV ads for cars with 'backup cameras!' to understand how terrible car companies have been at improving the industry in technology, safety, emissions.. Anything really.

Best part about the backup camera push is it was legislated to be mandatory, somehow is a looked at as a selling feature.

They're advertising it because rear view cameras are becoming standard on cars in the $20K range, and it's not mandatory until 2018 in the US and I believe still up in the air in Canada.

And the manufacturers have done great improvements in safety, one only needs to look at videos of crashes between new vehicles with old ones. While the Model S is a very safe car, there are many other cars on the market that are just as safe based on testing results in the US and Europe. And the Model S is also missing features, like rear facing radars and 360 degree cameras.

[millhouse11]

Originally Posted by accord1999

They're advertising it because rear view cameras are becoming standard on cars in the $20K range, and it's not mandatory until 2018 in the US and I believe still up in the air in Canada.

And the manufacturers have done great improvements in safety, one only needs to look at videos of crashes between new vehicles with old ones. While the Model S is a very safe car, there are many other cars on the market that are just as safe based on testing results in the US and Europe. And the Model S is also missing features, like rear facing radars and 360 degree cameras.

The Tesla was rated safest car ever.

http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla...-tested-2013-8

"Independent testing by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has awarded the Tesla Model S a 5-star safety rating, not just overall, but in every subcategory without exception. Approximately one percent of all cars tested by the federal government achieve 5 stars across the board. NHTSA does not publish a star rating above 5, however safety levels better than 5 stars are captured in the overall Vehicle Safety Score (VSS) provided to manufacturers, where the Model S achieved a new combined record of 5.4 stars."

[accord1999]

Not in Europe, where a number of same year models matched or beat the Model S:

http://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-r...eTechnologies=

And NHTSA doesn't do declarations of safest car ever, it was Tesla PR. Plus, the other major safety tester in the US, the IIHS still hasn't tested a Model S.

[chemgear]

Isn't one of the safest things about electric cars is that it doesn't have a massive engine block in the front? It'll always safer than any normal car in front collision with the massive crumple zone. You're not getting a huge block of metal coming back at you crushing your legs/chest.

[NuclearFart]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Isn't one of the safest things about electric cars is that it doesn't have a massive engine block in the front? It'll always safer than any normal car in front collision with the massive crumple zone. You're not getting a huge block of metal coming back at you crushing your legs/chest.

That's a big part of it. Also the center of gravity is very low with the vast majority of the weight comprising the floor (battery).

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Isn't one of the safest things about electric cars is that it doesn't have a massive engine block in the front? It'll always safer than any normal car in front collision with the massive crumple zone. You're not getting a huge block of metal coming back at you crushing your legs/chest.

As testing has shown, modern safety engineering means many cars are just as safe if not safer in a front collision.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by accord1999

As testing has shown, modern safety engineering means many cars are just as safe if not safer in a front collision.

Then why did tesla blow them all out of the water in tests?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by polak

That quote is exactly why I think it's dumb. I can't imagine how expensive those doors will be to fix once your warranty ends cause by the sounds of it, you won't be able to use any parts from any other door. You'll be stuck paying out the ass to Tesla for their special patented crap that is only used on this one niche model of car. Hate it. HATE stuff like that.

A back up camera serves a purpose. A door that opens up instead of swinging or sliding is just a needlessly complicated gimmick and it sounds like they're proud of just how expensive and inefficient maintaining it will be once your warranty ends.

I don't think anyone's really arguing that Falcon doors aren't a gimmick.

This is a $135k SUV. Its owner's do not care about costs after warranty.

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Then why did tesla blow them all out of the water in tests?

Because it didn't. There are many 5 star all around rated vehicles in NHTSA testing, many cars beat it on Euro NCAP and it hasn't been tested by the IIHS.

[bossy22]

Originally Posted by accord1999

Because it didn't. There are many 5 star all around rated vehicles in NHTSA testing, many cars beat it on Euro NCAP and it hasn't been tested by the IIHS.

No idea why IIHS hasn't tested it yet. It's been around for a while now. The NCAP was a 2014 car. They didn't do 2015. Since 2014 then there have been a number of improvements in the car. For example, the car they tested doesn't have autonomous braking. They do now though. With firmare 7.0 they got autonomous braking and collision avoidance. And the car is always getting improved. Last nights update informed me that the Side Collision Warning has been improved to intervene earlier. They are constantly trying to improve the car, and make it safer. I know it's saved my wife's bacon before when it slammed on the brakes suddenly because the car in front her stopped suddenly. It has also veered me back into the lane when it sensed I was too close to a guardrail. There are sensitivity settings in the car. I have it set up to provide early warning. I know some people don't like so they try to discount it as not as good as others, but I think it's a pretty awesome car.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by bossy22

No idea why IIHS hasn't tested it yet. It's been around for a while now.

From what I've read it's because the car doesn't sell in high enough volume and the IIHS doesn't test every model out there.

[Swift]

Dutch politicians have voted through a motion calling on the country to ban sales of new petrol and diesel cars starting in 2025 - https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...el-ban-by-2025

[polak]

Originally Posted by Cameron Swift

Dutch politicians have voted through a motion calling on the country to ban sales of new petrol and diesel cars starting in 2025 - https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...el-ban-by-2025

Probably warrants it's own thread.