[Signing] Gaudreau to Columbus (7 x $9.75 million)

[Bankai]

Originally Posted by TenaciousC

I think it’s clear that Johnny had a couple side pieces in Calgary before Meredith moved out here and she soured on the city because of it and wanted to get him away at first opportunity

Wtf? Got sources for this? Stop talking out your ass if you don't.

[Poison]

Originally Posted by TenaciousC

I think it’s clear that Johnny had a couple side pieces in Calgary before Meredith moved out here and she soured on the city because of it and wanted to get him away at first opportunity

Johnny does not look like a side piece kinda guy at all.
Like. At. All.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Watched Johnny’s videos with Columbus on TSN.

MEH. It really sucks. But it’s his right to do what he thinks is best for himself and his family. He earned that right.

Up to the Flames to be prepared for that decision I guess. Definitely will not be fixed via UFAs at this point. Might not be able to be replaced.

they won't replace Gaudreau...they could certainly be a more deep and playoff ready team with the right moves

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

It's the wife.

Thanks Yoko

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

lol. If Markstrom could have stopped a beachball we would have beat them in 4 or 5 games in the playoffs.

They still have no D. Without Goodrow we will beat them in 6 if Marky can figure it out.

Lets not pretend Mike Smith wasn’t giving up muffins and 100 footers either. He was better than Markstrom without a doubt, but Campbell does looks to be a lot less shaky than Smith.

Their D looks weak, but they somehow handled the Flames’ forecheck quite well. So I’ll give them credit there. Regardless, the Flames didn’t just lose because of Markstrom. He was a major factor, but the team’s inability to contain McDavid-Draisaitl-Kane and to a lesser extent Hyman and RNH was the real reason the team lost.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by dino7c

they won't replace Gaudreau...they could certainly be a more deep and playoff ready team with the right moves

It will take time, and the right moves. Understandably people want immediate gratification, but we are going to have to sit in the stink of this for a while.

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

No, I hate the Oilers.

But I’m also willing to look at things objectively here, I just don’t see how the Flames could realistically beat a prime McDavid and Draisaitl going forward. When they lined up together with Kane, they looked unstoppable. Kane’s been a Flame killer for a while, so him re-signing with the Oilers is not a good thing for the Flames.

sorry i must have missed it earlier in the thread but i couldn't understand why the JG thread turned into an oilers comparison.

and they might be better or they could be terrible just as easily.

[Roughneck]

I can understand taking the money, I can understand taking a discount to play at home. But this doesn't seem to be either. I have to think that Gaudreau's camp completely misplayed the whole situation, because absolutely nothing about this seems optimal for a guy who was in a spot to at least get the best from something.

Left a lot of money on the table. Moved closer to home but not close to home. But on top of all that if the structure of the deal is as reported, it makes even less sense. Take a discount and you should be able to dictate about as many parts you want. Front loaded, signing bonuses, better trade/movement clauses to ensure as much control as possible, getting as much money early as possible to make any decisions down the line easier but also making any trades near the end more manageable for teams when it comes to dealing with the money aspect. So giving up money and flexibility while seemingly having to settle on location leaves me thinking that they just messed up. How could this be the best deal for a player like this?

I have to think that they thought offers would be higher by walking away from the Flames and their 8 year deal. That somebody was going to be offering in the $10.5-11M range as well, but the offer and/or location never came. That the best that was left was the Columbus deal (and at that point it's 'only $750K for seven year deals as the difference between a Calgary offer, in which case the discount for location makes more sense, but only because the gamble for money didn't pay out).


It seems like a case study in failing to maximize your value during a negotiation.

[tony-soprano]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

It's the wife.

Always is..seen this story many times.

[tony-soprano]

Originally Posted by TenaciousC

I think it’s clear that Johnny had a couple side pieces in Calgary before Meredith moved out here and she soured on the city because of it and wanted to get him away at first opportunity

Lol, I even remember Marian Gaborik had a few side pieces out here when he played for the Wild.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Poison

Johnny does not look like a side piece kinda guy at all.
Like. At. All.

Monahan is his side piece lol

[Manhattanboy]

Because of Stampede etc. I have not listened at all to 960 this week.

Have the guys on the radio provided any insight at all?

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

lol. If Markstrom could have stopped a beachball we would have beat them in 4 or 5 games in the playoffs.

Even with Markstrom not playing his best had they stuck to their gameplan that gave them success all year and not get sucked into playing pond hockey they could have handled them. Even with Tanev out.

Chokes happen and they choked against the Oilers.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by dino7c

they won't replace Gaudreau...they could certainly be a more deep and playoff ready team with the right moves

I agree. Johnny was the best Flame player I have seen outside of Iginla. But I never felt he was going to win us a championship. He’s not built for playoff hockey.

If they could replace his output with two cheaper physical players might set them up to compete better come the post season.

Still think going after JT Miller and Kadri would be a good idea. Doubt they will get either.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by robertsfanatic

sorry i must have missed it earlier in the thread but i couldn't understand why the JG thread turned into an oilers comparison.

and they might be better or they could be terrible just as easily.

I don’t know, I think I made the mistake of saying losing Johnny might be a blessing in disguise because of the Oilers’ window to win now and I probably should’ve known it would trigger a landslide.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

See, again, this is what’s weird to me, if he goes to the Islanders, nobody bats an eye, but he chooses Columbus and that’s not okay. I don’t get it, he’s still out east, in the same time zone as his family and they’re still a long drive away regardless if it was Nassau County or Columbus. The only city that would’ve been extremely close in proximity was Philadelphia, but they made no offer.

In the end, Calgary was never an option anyway. It wasn’t like, Calgary vs Columbus. It was, do I live in NJ or Long Island or Columbus and he chose the latter. It’s kind of like Travis Hamonic only wanting to play in Western Canada. Vancouver isn’t really that close to Manitoba, but it’s still Western Canada. Johnny did the same thing, he wanted to play out east and now he is. It’s not even that bad, like driving from Saskatoon to Calgary. 6 or 7 hours, my friend does it all the time.

The second bold is the answer to the first bold. People are upset because he pretended that Calgary WAS an option, when it appears that it really wasn't.

No one is mad he chose Columbus, they are mad at how his team handled the process. (or they are mad at how the Flames handled the process, or both, but it has nothing to do with Columbus)

[TheIronMaiden]

Is there an NCAA American factor, like there is a Russian factor?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Inferno

Even with Markstrom not playing his best had they stuck to their gameplan that gave them success all year and not get sucked into playing pond hockey they could have handled them. Even with Tanev out.

Chokes happen and they choked against the Oilers.

Yeah, this. Tanev was a big deal. Maybe bigger than Markstrom, who was actually worst in the game they won.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by tony-soprano

Always is..seen this story many times.

Pronger

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Is there an NCAA American factor, like there is a Russian factor?

If there is it’s funny because the Flames were pioneers in mining NCAA back in the 80s