Would you trade up to have both Tkachuks?

[topfiverecords]

We’d also have to get Katchouk from Tampa while we’re at it.

[SebC]

Assuming the trade is fair value, then it likely doesn't make sense for the Flames. We have a team that should be contending, not rebuilding our rebuild.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

We’d also have to get Katchouk from Tampa while we’re at it.

And hire Daniel Tkaczuk as an AC?

[jayswin]

Without following the other Tkahuck at all (other than watching a bit of the world juniors) is there a chance that Matthew's success has cast some pedigree on his younger brother and that may artificially raise him a bit in the draft?

I know experts have said that has been the case with some other brothers in the past, specifically the brother groups of former NHL'ers.

[mrkajz44]

Brady is riding the coat tails of Matt and is probably 10+ spots too high in this draft because of it. Matt's scoring clearly outmatches what Brady has produced:

Matt: 15-16 - OHL - 57gp - 107 pts - 1.88 pts/game
Brady: 17-18 - NCAA - 20gp - 14 pts - 0.7 pts/game

No way I would trade up for Brady - his stock is way overvalued at this point.

[Vinny01]

Dougie for the Brady pick would be tempting. He would be he only core player I would trade to get him that has the value.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

Brady is riding the coat tails of Matt and is probably 10+ spots too high in this draft because of it. Matt's scoring clearly outmatches what Brady has produced:

Matt: 15-16 - OHL - 57gp - 107 pts - 1.88 pts/game
Brady: 17-18 - NCAA - 20gp - 14 pts - 0.7 pts/game

No way I would trade up for Brady - his stock is way overvalued at this point.

This is what I feared, and it looks like there's some merit to it if he's projected as 3rd - 5th overall so far.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

Brady is riding the coat tails of Matt and is probably 10+ spots too high in this draft because of it. Matt's scoring clearly outmatches what Brady has produced:

Matt: 15-16 - OHL - 57gp - 107 pts - 1.88 pts/game
Brady: 17-18 - NCAA - 20gp - 14 pts - 0.7 pts/game

No way I would trade up for Brady - his stock is way overvalued at this point.

This is such a comically simple way to look at draft value and potential.

"Well, one guy clearly got way more points, on a completely different team, in a different league. Therefore, he is obviously much better."

[Southside]

We have the better Tkachuck. Leave it be.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

This is such a comically simple way to look at draft value and potential.

"Well, one guy clearly got way more points, on a completely different team, in a different league. Therefore, he is obviously much better."

Sure the leagues are different but you'd think more than 14 points in 20 games in the NCAA would have to be achieved to rocket up to a 3rd OA projection, no?

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

This is such a comically simple way to look at draft value and potential.

"Well, one guy clearly got way more points, on a completely different team, in a different league. Therefore, he is obviously much better."

Courtesy of Newtothisredditbiz, of reddit:

Brady's bigger, faster, and meaner, but Matthew's numbers are far better than Brady's at every level they've played.

Matthew and Brady played in different leagues in their draft years, but Matthew's draft year NHLE in the OHL was 51.43, which was right on the mark considering the 51.79 points per 82 games he scored in his rookie NHL season.

Brady's draft year NHLE so far playing for BU is 22.36 (14 points in 19 games).

Brady draft -1 U18 tournament: 7 points in 7 games. 1.00 PPG.
Matthew draft -1 U18 tournament: 12 points in 7 games. 1.71 PPG.

Brady draft -1 USDP National U18 Team: 54 points in 61 games. 1.05 PPG.
Matthew draft -1 USDP National U18 Team: 95 points in 65 games. 1.46 PPG.

Brady draft -1 USNTDP Juniors: 23 points in 24 games. 0.96 PPG.
Matthew draft -1 USNTDP Juniors: 33 points in 24 games. 1.375 PPG.

Brady draft -2 USNTDP U17 Team: 25 points in 55 games. 0.45 PPG.
Matthew draft -2 USNTDP U17 Team: 33 points in 53 games. 0.622 PPG.

Brady draft -2 USNTDP Juniors: 8 points in 32 games. 0.25 PPG.
Matthew draft -2 USNTDP Juniors: 17 points in 31 games. 0.51 PPG.

Brady draft -3 St. Louis AAA Blues U16: 43 points in 33 games. 1.3 PPG.
Matthew draft -3 St. Louis AAA Blues U16: 82 points in 41 games. 2.00 PPG.

[Husky]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

Brady is riding the coat tails of Matt and is probably 10+ spots too high in this draft because of it. Matt's scoring clearly outmatches what Brady has produced:

Matt: 15-16 - OHL - 57gp - 107 pts - 1.88 pts/game
Brady: 17-18 - NCAA - 20gp - 14 pts - 0.7 pts/game

No way I would trade up for Brady - his stock is way overvalued at this point.

My thoughts exactly. And for his uni points didnt he go pointless in first 10 or so games or something?

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

This is such a comically simple way to look at draft value and potential.

"Well, one guy clearly got way more points, on a completely different team, in a different league. Therefore, he is obviously much better."

I agree that was an overly simple way to compare, but I think it clearly shows they are on two different levels. What makes Matt so good is he's got the offense to go with his pesky ways. That isn't as prevalent with Brady, but it seems most people are overlooking it. They just assume they are carbon copies when their offensive talents are in different tiers.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Husky

My thoughts exactly. And for his uni points didnt he go pointless in first 10 or so games or something?

He might just be the youngest guy in that league though.

[jayswin]

Wow, Matthew's numbers destroy Brady's. I'm sure he'd be an excellent player to have on your team but certainly a case can be made for buyer beware if you're considering drafting him top 5.

Brother becoming an NHL scoring super pest + draft position spiking after a good world juniors = proceed with caution.

[OutOfTheCube]

Hey, I don't claim to be a scout, but I do know in my 15 years of hockey watching and draft watching, you see lots of guys score bazillions of points in major junior go on to do nothing in the NHL, and guys who were relatively quiet offensively at the college level or on European teams go on to be stars. Simple point for point comparisons are always too simplistic.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Hey, I don't claim to be a scout, but I do know in my 15 years of hockey watching and draft watching, you see lots of guys score bazillions of points in major junior go on to do nothing in the NHL, and guys who were relatively quiet offensively at the college level or on European teams go on to be stars. Simple point for point comparisons are always too simplistic.

But we're talking specifically about his new projection of 3rd overall. Of course there's high point earners and low point earners from different leagues that end up all over the map in terms of NHL success, but how often do top 5 forward picks not have really great offensive numbers?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Hey, I don't claim to be a scout, but I do know in my 15 years of hockey watching and draft watching, you see lots of guys score bazillions of points in major junior go on to do nothing in the NHL, and guys who were relatively quiet offensively at the college level or on European teams go on to be stars. Simple point for point comparisons are always too simplistic.

I do wonder if there is a bit of Alex/William Nylander here though.

NCAA is tough for an underage guy but even if you compare them both on the USA U-18 development team at the same age there is a gap there.

Matthew: 33 points in 24 games.
Brady: 23 points in 24 games.

Brady will probably be a good NHLer - but can't project that he will be just as good as Matthew because of his pedigree.

[nightfx]

Originally Posted by Husky

My thoughts exactly. And for his uni points didnt he go pointless in first 10 or so games or something?

Not sure how you can take a sign of improvement/learning as a negative.

I do think Matthew will have a better career because he seems to have higher hockey IQ.

[belsarius]

Isn't he just going to wait out in the NCAA and go UFA to join the Flames anyways?

Tkachuk-Jankowski-Tkachuk first line is just going to piss opponents off.