2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by MikeMc

I'm on board with you man. I think if Gaudreau heads off somewhere with a center that is good at 'center type things', one who plays with speed, can make a creative play, etc. and maybe a winger who isn't a fringe NHLer - it's back to 90 points a season for Johnny.

He's literally the only guy on that line anyone has to even remotely care about defensively. He is responsible for transition to offense both because sure he wants the puck but also because Monahan and Ritchie cannot bring it up.

There is all this noise about Gaudreau not resigning because he wants to head home. More likely is he wants to play in a city that is competitive, has a shot at a cup and will give him a chance to succeed (with appropriate linemates).

If he's not resigning in Calgary its probably because we have won what 1 playoff round in the 7 years he's been here? And he gets to play with Nick Ritchie and his buddy who is falling apart before out eyes.

Here's hoping the split of of these two on two diff lines on Saturday showcases something for both players (especially Gaudreau).



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Right, I mean I don’t we as fans can appreciate how good he’s been here and how much of a treat he’s been to watch. No offense to Darryl, but his system is like watching paint dry, worse then I remembered back when in the 2000s. Dump ins and spamming point shots especially in a loss is not entertaining.

But back to my original point. 80-90 point players don’t grow on trees and I think because of how good Johnny is, he’s been able to carry his line and his team at times like a 1st overall pick. But trying to win with just a winger lead team has proven time and time again to not be successful. Watching Kucherov and Point with Tampa last season in the playoffs, they’re like a symphony out there. 2 similarly small, skilled guys who can both make plays, rush up ice and keep the opposition guessing.

The Flames don’t have a second option out there, it’s always puck to Johnny, go create something, or else. It’s a damn shame because for years this was a one line team, then we finally get a little more depth and his line gets figured out. Just par for the course for Flames fans, always left disappointed somehow or another.


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[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Right, I mean I don’t we as fans can appreciate how good he’s been here and how much of a treat he’s been to watch. No offense to Darryl, but his system is like watching paint dry, worse then I remembered back when in the 2000s. Dump ins and spamming point shots especially in a loss is not entertaining.

But back to my original point. 80-90 point players don’t grow on trees and I think because of how good Johnny is, he’s been able to carry his line and his team at times like a 1st overall pick. But trying to win with just a winger lead team has proven time and time again to not be successful. Watching Kucherov and Point with Tampa last season in the playoffs, they’re like a symphony out there. 2 similarly small, skilled guys who can both make plays, rush up ice and keep the opposition guessing.

The Flames don’t have a second option out there, it’s always puck to Johnny, go create something, or else. It’s a damn shame because for years this was a one line team, then we finally get a little more depth and his line gets figured out. Just par for the course for Flames fans, always left disappointed somehow or another.


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I honestly don't even think we can blame Sutter's system (which is Ward's system) for games being boring. Prior to Sutter, this team was already the worst in the league at generating chances off the rush in the league.

I think Sutter's biggest sin as coach has been this:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1379952585633792000

That right there is just stupid...although it has helped us stumble down the standings, which is a good thing at this stage so...Cool. Cool cool cool.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by MikeMc

I'm on board with you man. I think if Gaudreau heads off somewhere with a center that is good at 'center type things', one who plays with speed, can make a creative play, etc. and maybe a winger who isn't a fringe NHLer - it's back to 90 points a season for Johnny.

He's literally the only guy on that line anyone has to even remotely care about defensively. He is responsible for transition to offense both because sure he wants the puck but also because Monahan and Ritchie cannot bring it up.

There is all this noise about Gaudreau not resigning because he wants to head home. More likely is he wants to play in a city that is competitive, has a shot at a cup and will give him a chance to succeed (with appropriate linemates).

If he's not resigning in Calgary its probably because we have won what 1 playoff round in the 7 years he's been here? And he gets to play with Nick Ritchie and his buddy who is falling apart before out eyes.

Here's hoping the split of of these two on two diff lines on Saturday showcases something for both players (especially Gaudreau).



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I would add that I don’t think Johnny would want to play Sutter hockey ,especially on a contract year. Flames were probably going to trade Johnny in the off season for many reasons . I think now that Sutter is at the helm he will be asking for a trade also.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

Please don't happen

Has Adams been possessed by Peter Chiarelli? That trade will go down as one of the worst in NHL history.

[agulati]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Has Adams been possessed by Peter Chiarelli? That trade will go down as one of the worst in NHL history.

The tweet mentioned it was a theoretical trade, so probably just speculation at this time.

[Heavy Jack]

That is an unbelievably bad return for Eichel/Dahlin... like wow bad. GM’s I’m sure must be reaching out to see if they can top it right!?!?

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I honestly don't even think we can blame Sutter's system (which is Ward's system) for games being boring. Prior to Sutter, this team was already the worst in the league at generating chances off the rush in the league.

I think Sutter's biggest sin as coach has been this:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1379952585633792000

That right there is just stupid...although it has helped us stumble down the standings, which is a good thing at this stage so...Cool. Cool cool cool.

Absolute madness.

Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk, Lindholm, Mangiapane and Backlund should be above him easily. Perhaps Dube too.

[FlamesAddiction]

The problem isn’t that Ritchie is on that line. It’s that has been the better player on that line too often. He competes more than the other two on most nights. If Monahan and Gaudreau were still as good as people say, they should be able to carry a player like that, but they can’t.

[Muta]

Is anyone surprised that Ritchie seems to be a Sutter favourite? I’m definitely not. It’s like being surprised that grass turns green.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Josh Anderson.... so close. So freaking close. Then we wouldn’t need to worry about Ritchie playing on that line.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

How is that a fair deal?

Yeah, its not quite so good. I thought Hischier was on a way better contract. At $7.25M a season that is a bad take. There would have to be a lot more heading to Buffalo. A couple first round picks might (one from the Islanders) might make up for it. Hughes and Hischier make up two number ones to counter the number ones coming from Buffalo. The balance is found in contracts, which we've just seen is the most important aspect in trade values right now.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Muta

Is anyone surprised that Ritchie seems to be a Sutter favourite? I’m definitely not. It’s like being surprised that grass turns green.

Sutter wants more effort...

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

That is an unbelievably bad return for Eichel/Dahlin... like wow bad. GM’s I’m sure must be reaching out to see if they can top it right!?!?

I read that as a trade suggestion by the network, and not an actual trade.

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[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I think Sutter's biggest sin as coach has been this:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1379952585633792000

Called this.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...&postcount=451

Don't be shocked with the results we've seen.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by AC

Is Mike Vernon a jerk? That's disappointing. I know my dad wasn't a huge fan after seeing Vernon stumble out of a bar very drunk the night before a big playoff game.

I thought you were just making the same point that FanIn80 did.

Very much a jerk.


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[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Sutter wants more effort...

Yeah, he likes to insert energy into the top lines and that line holy frick needs it. If Sutter had a Ferland, Anderson, or Brown on the RW, I am sure he would prefer that. He doesn't... he has Ritchie, so here we are. Treliving utterly failed to address that position. He knows it's an issue too because he tried to get Anderson, but it is still a failure. Everyone knows as it has been obvious for a long time.

If you put Lindholm there and stack the line, it depletes the other lines. Mangiapane doesn't have the physicality the Monahan/Gaudreau line needs. Dube will get there, but needs more time.

This problem falls squarely on Treliving. Sutter is just putting a huge exclamation point on it.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by AC

Guessing you didn't click on the spoiler tags by FanIn80...

Oh wait, is Vernon a jerk?

I knew several people who worked at the Ranchman's back in the day-they used to have to throw Vernie and Theo out many times. I think Vernie has grown up though. My brother had a seat at a game beside the Flames bench one night, when Vernon was the back-up (in his second go-round with the Flames), and he interacted with the fans all night.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I honestly don't even think we can blame Sutter's system (which is Ward's system) for games being boring. Prior to Sutter, this team was already the worst in the league at generating chances off the rush in the league.

I think Sutter's biggest sin as coach has been this:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1379952585633792000

That right there is just stupid...although it has helped us stumble down the standings, which is a good thing at this stage so...Cool. Cool cool cool.

This, to me, falls on Treliving. His inability to find a RW for that line since Hudler was traded is inexcusable and is probably the biggest black mark on his record.

[FlamesAreOne]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

This, to me, falls on Treliving. His inability to find a RW for that line since Hudler was traded is inexcusable and is probably the biggest black mark on his record.

I'm still going with head coaching hires as his #1.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

This, to me, falls on Treliving. His inability to find a RW for that line since Hudler was traded is inexcusable and is probably the biggest black mark on his record.

Is the James Neal signing included within this? If so, I agree.