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Old 09-07-2017, 08:27 PM   #41
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Calgary is far too close to Seattle. There's no chance.
for 50,000 good jobs we can move
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Old 09-07-2017, 09:01 PM   #42
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I'm hearing from friends around Texas that Austin is in the running - oracle just built their second largest campus in the city, and it's already a mini silicon valley in its own right.

Also, Whole Foods HQ is in Austin, so there is some potential "synergies" (ugh) there.
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Old 09-07-2017, 09:36 PM   #43
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Even if it is a low probability of Calgary getting it, I think this is a great exercise for the city to go through. Good on them for identifying an opportunity.
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Old 09-07-2017, 10:13 PM   #44
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Logically, it would seemingly make sense to build this place on the eastern side of the continent.

I'd imagine where ever it is built, amazon will likely have to pay little to no taxes for many many years.

Hard to imagine 50,000 people working in one place. That is like half the population of red deer
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Old 09-07-2017, 10:24 PM   #45
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Hard to imagine 50,000 people working in one place. That is like half the population of red deer
You should visit one of the many oil sand sites in the north of our province.
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Old 09-07-2017, 10:26 PM   #46
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This screams like a company hoping for a city to either build an office for them or allow them to not pay tax or a much reduced tax in city/province. I also question the claim of 50,000 jobs.
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Old 09-07-2017, 10:41 PM   #47
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You should visit one of the many oil sand sites in the north of our province.
Still not even close to that. Firebag had what? 3500 people living on site? Given the schedules no more than 2/3 of that at one time.

Include the nearby camps and I still can't imagine you'd ever see more than 10k at one time at its height.

However it's still not 50k on location, that's how many jobs they assume it will create, and as pointed out that could be beyond just the direct labor.
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Old 09-07-2017, 10:51 PM   #48
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Sure sounds like Calgary is the ideal fit outside the facts that it's Canadian, which would supremely annoy a lot of Americans especially Trump, and it isn't on the East coast.

But also, two HQ?!? How does that work?? Seems weird to me.

Also, why does the Pacific Northwest HATE business? It is an institution of our societies yet people from Vancouver or Seattle legitimately hate it, so bizarre and confusing.
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Old 09-07-2017, 11:36 PM   #49
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A 50,000 person Campus is about 10 Brookfield places.

Calgary downtown has about 150k employees.

It would take probably 10 years to go from 0 to 50k.

So you hook them up with Brookfield Place for 2-3 years for the first 5000 people while you start building the Campus. Imperials Campus is very low density (4 story spread out buildings) so not really a good comparison for density. I think west village would be big enough but if you want to go the CRL route you really start to Canabalize the tax base in the area if you are giving them significant tax breaks to build the Campus.

However unlike an arena you really would get spiking property values around the arena and new employment to support the residential expansion.

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I don't know how current these numbers are (they're the best I could find with a quick Google search): https://calgary.foundlocally.com/HR/Jobs-Employers.htm

According to that, not only would 50,000 employees make them the largest employer in Calgary, it would be more than the current top 4 combined.
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You should visit one of the many oil sand sites in the north of our province.
it is on my list of vacation spots, right below Cermona, but before Warburg.

I was wondering about the 50,000 jobs number. From what I have seen, Amazon seems to be one fo the most automated companies out there, and it is hard to imagine that many jobs.
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Making a pitch for this makes more sense than an Olympic bid. Divert all resources stat.
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Logistically Calgary is a great place. Walmart, and I believe Home Depit
moved their distribution centre to Calgary from Vancouver. Target also had their main centre here in Calgary too. It is a long shot.
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Exciting if it happens. I don't think it would be anywhere near downtown; more likely something close to the airport if they have anything to do with distribution and logistics.
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Smart of Amazon to announce this and trigger a race to the bottom as cities fall over themselves to offer land, tax breaks and other incentives.

Then take whichever one you feel is best and save a ton of $$$$.

Given how much Amazon is on the forefront of automation, I'd bet folding money that the 50k jobs never actually materialize, and instead becomes 5-10k. Leaving the 'winning' city holding the bag and looking stupid.
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Imperials Campus is very low density (4 story spread out buildings) so not really a good comparison for density. .


5 - 5 story building. 3200 people total.
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Smart of Amazon to announce this and trigger a race to the bottom as cities fall over themselves to offer land, tax breaks and other incentives.

Then take whichever one you feel is best and save a ton of $$$$.

Given how much Amazon is on the forefront of automation, I'd bet folding money that the 50k jobs never actually materialize, and instead becomes 5-10k. Leaving the 'winning' city holding the bag and looking stupid.
Sounds a lot like the Olympics
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Its either Cali, San Jose or Oakland or somewhere in the North East depending on the time zone factors, I don't think anywhere in Canada makes sense given the US is moving into a somewhat protectionist phase and putting the office in Canada would be a waste of political leverage.

Boston or Hartford makes sense, easy recruiting area, close to a bunch of colleges that will pump employees into your data mill
As far as political capital goes, that can cut both ways. Amazon is an outspoken critic of the Republican-controlled FCC's plans to destroy net neutrality in the US, as one example. It would send a powerful message by pointing to something like that as a reason justifying a move to Canada (or Europe). Even the threat of such could seriously impact American tech policy.
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As far as political capital goes, that can cut both ways. Amazon is an outspoken critic of the Republican-controlled FCC's plans to destroy net neutrality in the US, as one example. It would send a powerful message by pointing to something like that as a reason justifying a move to Canada (or Europe). Even the threat of such could seriously impact American tech policy.
Plus Trump has an irrational hate for Bezos. Anything to piss Trump off is good in my books.
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