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[White Out 403]

I'm going to give pepsi the benefit of the doubt here, but I am troubled that this seems to be still a genuine sourced of disagreement. This is my position and what I believe happened:
-Bubba's crew found what they believed was a noose
-FBI called in
-NASCAR offers full suppport
-FBI concludes this was a garage door pulley installed a long time ago, and Bubba was not the target of a hate crime

Now we've moved on to , it seems, "well, it's a noose meant for.. somebody" it seems to me. Like, is that how desperate for racism and outrage we're at now? This garage door opening rope is the equivalent of Ed Nortons swastika tattoo and a specific message of "NOT WELCOME" to blacks? Why would we even think that?

I would have preferred Bubba Wallace to go on CNN yesterday and thank NASCAR for their support, the FBI for investigating, and to take a light hearted "wow, I'm sure glad I wasn't the target of racism, let's all take a deep breath". Nope. We instead get "that's a noose". And everyone knows the very negative reaction to that word. It, in a very real way, stokes racial tensions. So yes, he may be accurately describing the knot, but that's besides the point. Which is maybe the point here, isn't it? Everyone wants something to get upset about.

[RatherDashing]

Originally Posted by Plett25

So, a black guy in Alabama, participating in an overwhelmingly white sport, during a time of racial unrest, finds what appears to be a noose, and he should just let it go?

Just to clarify, Wallace wasn't even the person who found it, he wasn't allowed into the garage due to COVID-19 regulations. One of his crew members discovered it and brought it to the crew chief. The crew chief then brought the issue to Wallace, and convinced him that it was a noose, and not a typical garage pull.

Sorry, not directing this at you. Just thought it was worth emphasizing how ridiculous it is to attack Wallace over this.

[PeteMoss]

Here is the transcript:

Don Lemon: (00:06)
Have you seen ropes like that hanging from garages? Is that typical?

Bubba Wallace: (00:12)
Don, the image that I have and I have seen of what was hanging in my garage is not a garage pull. I’ve been racing all my life. We’ve raced out of hundreds of garages that never had garage pulls like that. So people that want to call it a garage pull and put out old videos and photos of knots being as their evidence, go ahead, but from the evidence that we have, that I have, it’s a straight-up noose. The FBI has stated it was a noose over and over again. NASCAR leadership has stated that it was a noose. I can confirm that I actually got evidence of what was hanging in my garage, over my car, around my picker guys, to confirm that it was a noose and never seen anything like that. It’s not something … I talked to my crew chief about it, I said, “Is this something like … ” I wanted to make sure we weren’t jumping the gun and I said, “This isn’t a knot. This isn’t just a regular old what do you call it.” He’s like, “Bubba, this isn’t something that can be done within a second of just tying a knot and being on the way. This is something that took time.”

Don Lemon: (01:23)
So what are you saying here? Are you saying that you don’t believe, do you believe that it was intended for you in that way or are you … What are you saying here?

Bubba Wallace: (01:36)
It was a noose. It was a noose that was whether tied in 2019 or whatever, it was a noose so it wasn’t directed at me but somebody tied a noose. That’s what I am saying. It is a noose.

[schteve_d]

I think I'm most surprised that the Talladega Superspeedway doesn't have garage door openers on the bays.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

I'm going to give pepsi the benefit of the doubt here, but I am troubled that this seems to be still a genuine sourced of disagreement. This is my position and what I believe happened:
-Bubba's crew found what they believed was a noose
-FBI called in
-NASCAR offers full suppport
-FBI concludes this was a garage door pulley installed a long time ago, and Bubba was not the target of a hate crime

Now we've moved on to , it seems, "well, it's a noose meant for.. somebody" it seems to me. Like, is that how desperate for racism and outrage we're at now? This garage door opening rope is the equivalent of Ed Nortons swastika tattoo and a specific message of "NOT WELCOME" to blacks? Why would we even think that?

I would have preferred Bubba Wallace to go on CNN yesterday and thank NASCAR for their support, the FBI for investigating, and to take a light hearted "wow, I'm sure glad I wasn't the target of racism, let's all take a deep breath". Nope. We instead get "that's a noose". And everyone knows the very negative reaction to that word. It, in a very real way, stokes racial tensions. So yes, he may be accurately describing the knot, but that's besides the point. Which is maybe the point here, isn't it? Everyone wants something to get upset about.

I don’t know, you’re literally upset over him (in your word) “accurately describing the knot.” So, does your last sentence apply to yourself?

Personally, I’m not seeing a whole lot of “it was a noose meant for... somebody” narratives. Maybe they’re out there, but they’re not coming from Wallace, or NASCAR, or the FBI. Their narrative is that it’s a noose. And that is a strange pull.

The outrage I’m seeing is what you’re playing into. Calling it a hoax, a Smollett situation, saying Wallace, the FBI, and NASCAR can’t accurately describe the knot because... reasons. And then, even weirder, the gaslighting by these same people on how everyone ELSE is outraged, and they’re not part of that. It’s very strange to watch.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by RatherDashing

Yes, it's clear that it wasn't done as an attack on Wallace. It's the people attacking Wallace after the fact that are the problem. The whole issue seems like it was dealt with pretty appropriately.

It all just seems like an insane coincidence. Someone tied a knot for a garage pull that they felt made it easier to use the door, probably without thinking about any symbolic implications. Months later, that garage - out of all the 69 other ones that could have been assigned to any driver - gets assigned to a black man right in the middle of a national crisis about race relations. Just ridiculous.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I don’t know, you’re literally upset over him (in your word) “accurately describing the knot.” So, does your last sentence apply to yourself?

Personally, I’m not seeing a whole lot of “it was a noose meant for... somebody” narratives. Maybe they’re out there, but they’re not coming from Wallace, or NASCAR, or the FBI. Their narrative is that it’s a noose. And that is a strange pull.

The outrage I’m seeing is what you’re playing into. Calling it a hoax, a Smollett situation, saying Wallace, the FBI, and NASCAR can’t accurately describe the knot because... reasons. And then, even weirder, the gaslighting by these same people on how everyone ELSE is outraged, and they’re not part of that. It’s very strange to watch.

He's denying it's a garage door pulley, and insisting it's a noose. The word noose has a very specific negative connotation. Much like hanging vs lynching. I know you're not stupid, I read your posts, you are intelligent. Are you going to pretend that statement isn't pushing a racialized narrative on what appears to be a non racist incident? Do you not agree that has consequences?

[CaptainCrunch]

Its a rabbit whole.


I'm extremely happy that Nascar got rid of things like the Confederate Flag, and took this thing seriously enough to investigate.


But at this point, I do agree with White Out. I'm not saying that Wallace should be back tracking, but instead he should say that he has looked at the FBI report, that this thing has been up long before that space was assigned to him, but he's happy that Nascar stepped up to investigate and even happier that a racist symbol like the Confed Flag is gone.


Instead he's now fighting what looks like a proper and complete conclusion by the FBI.



Is he undoing the good that's come out of this, maybe a bit, I don't know.

[schteve_d]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Personally, I’m not seeing a whole lot of “it was a noose meant for... somebody” narratives. Maybe they’re out there, but they’re not coming from Wallace, or NASCAR, or the FBI. Their narrative is that it’s a noose. And that is a strange pull.

I know they keep calling it that, but I think there is an important distinction if you are going to call it that. Does it function as a noose, or does it look like a noose? If it looks like a noose, but doesn't function like one (ie. the slipknot action of a noose), then it's not a noose.

Also, didn't a noose have thirteen wraps or is that folklore?

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Stop calling it what it is?

It's a noose. Why is calling it a noose such a problem. The noose was not directed at him but it's still a noose. Why would someone need to tie a noose into a garage door pulley? It makes no sense to tie a noose into that. It really seems like a poor choice by someone to tie a noose there even if it wasn't directed at him specifically.

A noose to me reflects hanging by execution, to someone else it might just be a type of knot. Can a noose be a racist symbol? For sure, but so can words.

It is all about context, and we seem to be really sensitive right now. If the noose was just part of a pulley and had an innocent reason to be there, I am fine with it. Should we be banning types of knots? Is that what you are getting at?

I have tied plenty of noose knots over the years, never once thought of racism, but did think of hangman knots. I just read the wiki on the noose and it mentioned racism, if used differently it could be a symbol of hate.

If some idiot added nooses to make some sort of racist statement, he is an idiot.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by schteve_d

Also, didn't a noose have thirteen wraps or is that folklore?

It can, but it's more myth/tale telling than legit. I thought that for a while too, but did some reading a while back. Here's a good explanation off google.

"Six to eight loops are normal when using natural ropes. One coil makes it equivalent to the simple running knot. The number thirteen was thought to be unlucky. Consequently, in myth, if not in actual practice, thirteen coils were found in a hangman's noose, a foreboding sign for those convicted to be hanged."

[woob]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Everyone wants something to get upset about.

They sure do.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

A noose to me reflects hanging by execution, to someone else it might just be a type of knot. Can a noose be a racist symbol? For sure, but so can words.

It is all about context, and we seem to be really sensitive right now. If the noose was just part of a pulley and had an innocent reason to be there, I am fine with it. Should we be banning types of knots? Is that what you are getting at?

I have tied plenty of noose knots over the years, never once thought of racism, but did think of hangman knots. I just read the wiki on the noose and it mentioned racism, if used differently it could be a symbol of hate.

If some idiot added nooses to make some sort of racist statement, he is an idiot.

No, I'm not sure why you are making that leap when I have never said that.

Tying a noose on the pulley and leaving it when you know the garages are shared units was a bad choice. Simple as that.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

No, I'm not sure why you are making that leap when I have never said that.

Tying a noose on the pulley and leaving it when you know the garages are shared units was a bad choice. Simple as that.

It's a rope that they tied in a way so people can grab it. We're debating the way it was tied. Can you provide some more evidence this was done in a way that was meant to intimidate or promote racism? Otherwise, isn't this all really silly?

[undercoverbrother]

A noose on a rope that is used to pull doesn't make sense.

A properly tied noose will tighten the loop when you pull on it, why would that be useful on the end of garage door pully.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

It's a rope that they tied in a way so people can grab it. We're debating the way it was tied. Can you provide some more evidence this was done in a way that was meant to intimidate or promote racism? Otherwise, isn't this all really silly?

The hanging of nooses to intimidate and and display "racism" isn't a new thing:

https://apnews.com/e1137934681c42918c780ceb9bdf5f70

State and federal investigators are trying to find out who hung seven nooses in trees outside the Mississippi Capitol early Monday, a day before a U.S. Senate runoff that has focused attention on the state’s history of racist violence.

The Mississippi Department of Public Safety says the nooses were accompanied by handwritten signs referring to Tuesday’s election as well as to lynchings — most of them in the state’s turbulent past, but also one recent case that remains under investigation, of a black man whose body was found hanging in central Mississippi. The department posted photos of the signs on social media and sought information about them from the public.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

But at this point, I do agree with White Out.

You agree that Bubba Wallace orchestrated this whole thing including planting the "noose/rope" in the garage so he could play the race card?

Because that's what White Out is insinuating when calling it another Jussie Smollett situation.

Saying he should acknowledge the FBI findings is one thing, but the accusations of this being a planned and orchestrated stunt is a pretty damming accusation you guys are making.

[Wastedyouth]

I guess I just don't understand WhiteOuts motivation here.

Are you a big Nascar fan? Knot specialist?

You are in here keyboard swinging posting every second post. This clearly has you pissed off, but I guess I just don't understand why.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

You agree that Bubba Wallace orchestrated this whole thing including planting the "noose/rope" in the garage so he could play the race card?

Because that's what White Out is insinuating when calling it another Jussie Smollett situation.

Saying he should acknowledge the FBI findings is one thing, but the accusations of this being a planned and orchestrated stunt is a pretty damming accusation you guys are making.

I think I was fairly clear in post 3381 that I'm beefing with his CNN interview. I didn't suggest he orchestrated anything, nor do I believe that. So let's get that out of the way.

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

I guess I just don't understand WhiteOuts motivation here.

Are you a big Nascar fan? Knot specialist?

You are in here keyboard swinging posting every second post. This clearly has you pissed off, but I guess I just don't understand why.

Neither? Isn't this a discussion forum? What a strange comment.

Why do you care what I post? See how irrelevant that sounds?

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

I think I was fairly clear in post 3381 that I'm beefing with his CNN interview. I didn't suggest he orchestrated anything, nor do I believe that. So let's get that out of the way.



Neither? Isn't this a discussion forum? What a strange comment.

Why do you care what I post? See how irrelevant that sounds?

I am just fascinated why you came in here balls to the wall and seem to be eager to argue ad nauseum over something that still has some time to play out. It's fascinating sometimes to see what triggers certain posters.

No reason I guess. Just interested.