26 y.o. New Brunswick woman shot and killed by Police

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by jayswin

The speculation in this thread both in favour of and opposing officers is absurd. "The officers knew this and that".."she was only doing this"..."she knew it was an officer"...they had no other choice". All balderdash unless you just want something to be true and don't mind twisting the unknown to known in your mind. Which is fine I guess, as it's part of the basic instinct of our species.

It's not about trying to make something true, pushing a narrative or trying to convince somebody. Even if I could somehow convince everyone in this thread, I would gain absolutely nothing from it. I am basically intrigued and somewhat hooked by what happened and playing it over and over in my mind, trying to make sense out of it.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Wait, so you think she left the safety of her own home, armed with a knife to confront an intruder? How does that make any sense when she could have locked the door, gone to her 5 year old and called police?

The man who called police said she was "harassed". Probably she was visited by some drunk or whatever half an hour before that. It could be that she even knew him. Despite being annoying and "harassing" that dude likely didn't seem like a lethal threat or anyone looking for a fight. When she heard noises again, she figured it's the same man came back so she wanted to make him go away rather than cave into her apartment with him knocking at the locked door. She figured, he would go away and leave her for good. She didn't want to wait for police and explain everything to them in the middle of the night. She wanted to scare the drunk away, go home and sleep.


And most importantly I am not trying to make case for "my" story. All I am saying is that officer's story doesn't seem to make any sense.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by Pointman

I am basically intrigued and somewhat hooked by what happened and playing it over and over in my mind, trying to make sense out of it.

That way lays only madness...

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

lol just because she is female and has a daughter and a job means nothing, regular people snap all the time. She knew that was an officer.

Regular people snap all the time to the point they try to stab two armed officers with the knife? How often does it happen?

[Acey]

"Regular" people have committed mass murder and "nobody saw it coming".

Reform police, Canadian police suck, they kill too many people, their training sucks, knives can't kill people, no cop has ever been stabbed in the history of humanity... whatever. All that is fine. But the idea that a woman with a job and a daughter would be incapable of brandishing a weapon in such a way that the police felt the need to shoot her - I'm not sure why that's unfathomable.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Acey

"Regular" people have committed mass murder and "nobody saw it coming".

Reform police, Canadian police suck, they kill too many people, their training sucks, knives can't kill people, no cop has ever been stabbed in the history of humanity... whatever. All that is fine. But the idea that a woman with a job and a daughter would be incapable of brandishing a weapon in such a way that the police felt the need to shoot her - I'm not sure why that's unfathomable.

Weirder things happened, like that man who killed a fellow passenger on a bus in Manitoba some years ago. It is not entirely impossible that she went literally out of her mind and tried to stab two armed officers, who were not even trying to arrest or otherwise bother her. However, it is far less likely than some sort of misunderstanding.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

lol just because she is female and has a daughter and a job means nothing, regular people snap all the time. She knew that was an officer.

Unless you have first hand knowledge of this lady’s situation, you would be well served by shutting the #### up

[81MC]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Unless you have first hand knowledge of this lady’s situation, you would be well served by shutting the #### up

Ah, the mark of reasonable discussion.

[Titan]

Originally Posted by Pointman

And this is exactly what makes me seriously doubt policemen's story. We are supposed to believe that a normal woman with a daughter, a job and no criminal record would try to stab a cop in the middle of the night near her apartment. She had no reason to do it whatsoever and considering there were two armed cops, it was a suicidal encounter for her. It would be impossible for her to not recognize two strong men in uniform within striking range. I'm not buying it.

My best guess : she heard noise and came out with a knife to protect herself from a drunk intruder. Officer shouted from the dark to drop the knife, perhaps not realizing she lives there. She doesn't realize it's a cop, refuses and shouts back, hence "making threats", as per police. Then officer shoots.

If we have learned anything from the riots is that police regularly lie when making reports. If only there was some way to have a high-quality video of what the officer actually saw at the time of conflict. Oh yeah, bodycams. Why is that not mandatory for every cop on the street? And some of the police departments in states release the video immediately. Great transparency. I watched a video of a guy with a machete. He was chasing the cops around, multiple shots were fired, did not stop him, the cop fell and would have been severely injured if his partners did not kill the guy. Easy to see a good shooting.

Introduce accountability and verification for the police and these incidents will decrease. Rely on the word of two cops that just shot someone and a dead witness/victim? Does not sound like a solid plan.

[Patek23]

https://calgarysun.com/news/local-ne...f-7281ee8a03d4

Figured this would be better suited in here then the American police abuse thread.

I’ve long held the belief that police often escalate situations beyond what they need to be regardless of race, sex or creed. Not saying there aren’t racist police either just that I’ve also been detained and struck by police officers many moons ago without reason or cause. It seems like regardless of race if you resist or mouth back your liable to forcefully detained. Definite culture change needed within police forces everywhere IMO.

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

https://calgarysun.com/news/local-ne...f-7281ee8a03d4

Figured this would be better suited in here then the American police abuse thread.

I’ve long held the belief that police often escalate situations beyond what they need to be regardless of race, sex or creed. Not saying there aren’t racist police either just that I’ve also been detained and struck by police officers many moons ago without reason or cause. It seems like regardless of race if you resist or mouth back your liable to forcefully detained. Definite culture change needed within police forces everywhere IMO.

I agree. I think this is getting lost in the conversation around the current protests. It seems to me that the root cause of police escalation is the notion of them being the authority in all situations and law-abiding citizens needing to capitulate regardless of the circumstances. I'm a middle-aged white guy and I get intimidated seeing police around, even though I generally don't break laws. In my experience the police have a tendency to bully their way through situations. They rely on force or the threat of force, even if it's uncalled for. Of course, race and/or cultural issues also play a part but they would be much easier to weed out if the base culture of policing wasn't authoritarian.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

https://calgarysun.com/news/local-ne...f-7281ee8a03d4

“She requests a formal and independent investigation into this incident.”

What will happen

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by zamler

What will happen