In any protest, sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do. We all know who the good guys are in all this, and I see this as a slap in the face to the KKK folks. It's a statue, but it means so much more to them.
I just dont like when the lines of who the laws apply to begin to get blurred. It creates more problems, the police will likely have no choice but to charge the people in this video unless there is enough public support defending their actions.
I just dont like when the lines of who the laws apply to begin to get blurred. It creates more problems, the police will likely have no choice but to charge the people in this video unless there is enough public support defending their actions.
I think I'm on your side on this. The problem is that it seems almost impossible to remove these statues legally. Charlottesville's city council and it's people want to remove the one at the center of this all, and it seems like it will be tied up in expensive litigation for a good while, and how long are they supposed to be subject to rally's like this weekend, that are hurting (killing) their people and their businesses.
I won't go so far as to say I agree with what the people in Durham did, but I can see where they were coming from.
I think I'm on your side on this. The problem is that it seems almost impossible to remove these statues legally. Charlottesville's city council and it's people want to remove the one at the center of this all, and it seems like it will be tied up in expensive litigation for a good while, and how long are they supposed to be subject to rally's like this weekend, that are hurting (killing) their people and their businesses.
I won't go so far as to say I agree with what the people in Durham did, but I can see where they were coming from.
There are other ways to speed up the process which don't involve blatantly breaking the law. In doing so it's best to not give the opposition something they can hold against you.
Well chalk one up for bad spelling I guess *sad trombone*
Looks like they are big news, though their numbers have dipped (and stabilized) a bit.
They are doing okay, but I do think it is important to keep it in perspective: they are about as popular and highly-trafficked as the Huffington Post, which is not exactly "mainstream."
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There are other ways to speed up the process which don't involve blatantly breaking the law. In doing so it's best to not give the opposition something they can hold against you.
Agreed. If people have the right to petition to have a public statue removed or a public building renamed, the opposing side should have the right to appeal the decision to remove statues or rename buildings. And the NC governor response to the toppling of the statue was not harsh enough.
It is disgusting to see this happening in a first world country.
There was a world war fought over this, you don't get to be a Nazi without facing consequences. Yes the first amendment allows you to protest any despicable thing you want but it also means others can name and shame your for being pathetic backwards bigots.
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On the topic of punching or not punching Nazis and what's okay to do to stop them, probably the best known historical anecdote, the Battle of Cable Street.
Here's a slightly shortened version of the Wiki.
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The Battle of Cable Street took place on Sunday 4 October 1936 in Cable Street in the East End of London. It was a clash between the Metropolitan Police, protecting a march by members of the British Union of Fascists (BUF), and various anti-fascist demonstrators, including local Jewish, Irish, socialist, anarchist and communist groups. The majority of both marchers and counter-protesters travelled into the area for this purpose.
The Board of Deputies of British Jews denounced the march as anti-semitic and urged Jewish people to stay away. The Communist Party of Great Britain, led the opposition forces.
Despite the strong likelihood of violence, the government hesitated to ban the march and a large escort of police was provided in an attempt to prevent anti-fascist protesters from disrupting the march.
An estimated 20,000 anti-fascist demonstrators turned out, and were met by 6,000 police, who attempted to clear the road to permit the march of 2,000–3,000 fascists to proceed. The demonstrators fought back with sticks, rocks, chair legs and other improvised weapons. Rubbish, rotten vegetables and the contents of chamber pots were thrown at the police by women in houses along the street. After a series of running battles, Mosley agreed to abandon the march to prevent bloodshed. The BUF marchers were dispersed towards Hyde Park instead while the anti-fascists rioted with police. About 150 demonstrators were arrested, although some escaped with the help of other demonstrators. Several members of the police were arrested by demonstrators. Around 175 people were injured including police, women and children.
Many of the arrested demonstrators reported harsh treatment at the hands of the police.
After the Battle of Cable Street, the BUF lost momentum. It became clear that the local populace was largely against its actions, and that it would be met with fierce opposition.
The Battle of Cable Street is pretty interesting, as I'm sure every possible argument against anti-fascists action currently thrown around could have been made back then, and back then you didn't have the historical perspective on Nazis we know have. The anti-fascists, lead by the far-left back then like they are now, were in the right then and they're in the right now.
The anti-fascists, lead by the far-left back then like they are now, were in the right then and they're in the right now.
I mean, first of all, if you think that sounds like some sort of glorious victory for the counterprotesters - "175 people were injured including police, women and children", for a march that if it had proceeded would probably have resulted in no bodily harm to anyone - I just don't agree with you at all. No one who goes to a demonstration with the intention of turning it into a war zone is "in the right", no matter how objectionable the content of the march itself.
Second, though... I mean, yeah, Antifa has had some success in beating the piss out of white supremacists (or in other cases, just random people they happen not to like) using pepper spray, bike locks and metal poles, or just their bare hands... What do you think is going to happen when a real fight breaks out between Antifa and these lunatics?
If you want your grand struggle against the evil right wing nationalists, well, they have all the guns, so good luck with that. There's going to be blood in the streets. That's your option if you want to respond to people whose views you despise with violence. Everyone's getting shot.
This is why we have free speech principles, to stop this from being the sole means of resolving ideological conflict.
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Alex Jones says Jewish actors posed as KKK followers in Charlottesville
"I mean, quite frankly, I’ve been to these events, a lot of the KKK guys with their hats off look like they’re from the cast of “Seinfeld.” Literally they’re just Jewish actors. Nothing against Jews in general, but they are leftists Jews that want to create this clash and they go dress up as Nazis. I have footage in Austin — we’re going to find it somewhere here at the office — where it literally looks like cast of “Seinfeld” or like Howard Stern in a Nazi outfit. They all look like Howard Stern. They almost got like little curly hair down, and they’re just up there heiling Hitler. You can tell they are totally uncomfortable, they are totally scared, and it’s all just meant to create the clash."
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They are doing okay, but I do think it is important to keep it in perspective: they are about as popular and highly-trafficked as the Huffington Post, which is not exactly "mainstream."
What is mainstream?
CNN (26)
New York Times (31)
Washington Post (44)
MSN (45)
Buzzfeed (49)
Fox News (60)
Huffington Post (62)
Breitbart (66)
NPR (152)
CBS News (235)
NBC News (242)
ABC News (295)
MSNBC (539)
PBS (540)
Others of note
Youtube (2)
Facebook (3)
Yahoo (6)
Wikipedia (7)
Twitter (8)
LinkedIn (11)
Pornhub (18)
ESPN (28)
Apple (34)
Walmart (35)
Xvideos (37)
Microsoft (40)
With the number of people who have cut the cable and are now more reliant on online content I think "mainstream" needs to be re-examined. Lamestream media is a great narrative for those on the right to beat people over the head with, but mass media has changed dramatically over the past decade, and the mainstream has followed the marketplace. More people go to these data aggregators to get their news than they do from the institutions who do the actual journalism.
