Calder Trophy Finalists: Binnington, Dahlin, Pettersson - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Magnum PEI · 04-28-2019, 02:43 PM

Didn't see a thread, but it was announced yesterday. Pettersson probably will win. Heiskanen maybe got snubbed but had a bad +/- and 'only' 33 points.

jar_e · 04-28-2019, 02:51 PM

So tough to compare positions...

Binnington started 30 games last season...and won 24 of them (nevermind his .927 SV% and 1.89 GAA). Those are Vezina type numbers.

Petterson averaged 0.93 PPG in 70 games and finished top 50 (well..literally 50th) in PPG in the NHL.

Will be interesting to see where the voters end up.

dammage79 · 04-28-2019, 03:04 PM

All Elias here. Binnington getting a nom though is pretty cool. Didnt think Dahlin was that good in Buffalo this year. Then again I didnt really pay that much attention.

MisterJoji · 04-28-2019, 03:14 PM

#### the Canucks. Good season by Petterson but his team was still a bottom feeder. Binnington lead his team to a remarkable turnaround (with Berube).

Scroopy Noopers · 04-28-2019, 04:25 PM

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All Elias here. Binnington getting a nom though is pretty cool. Didnt think Dahlin was that good in Buffalo this year. Then again I didnt really pay that much attention.

Well Dahlin pretty much owns the #1 d on the team title, but Pettersson is the best player on his team. Both as rookies. Pretty unreal.

Pettersson for sure.

RyZ · 04-28-2019, 04:28 PM

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All Elias here. Binnington getting a nom though is pretty cool. Didnt think Dahlin was that good in Buffalo this year. Then again I didnt really pay that much attention.

He had the 2nd most points in NHL history for an 18 yr old Dman. He had a historically good season for his age and position. Im surprised he isnt getting far more attention than he is.

timbit · 04-28-2019, 10:42 PM

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He had the 2nd most points in NHL history for an 18 yr old Dman. He had a historically good season for his age and position. Im surprised he isnt getting far more attention than he is.

Heiskanen had a lot better season, IMO.

activeStick · 04-29-2019, 12:16 AM

Hoping for a Binnington upset simply to see the crying from Vancouver fans.

The Cobra · 04-29-2019, 06:36 AM

The top 3 are pretty good, as attested to the fact that everyone has their favourite.

Mine is Dahlin, who is by far the best player long term. He had a very good season considering he was facing the other teams best players on a nightly basis. It's ridiculous to suggest he wasn't that good.

But it's hard to ignore Petterson's great season.

GioforPM · 04-29-2019, 08:42 AM

Binnington's supposed strike is the low number of games he played - 32. But how many games do they expect a rookie to start? Grubaeur started only 37. Mrazek started 40.

Plus I think he's a huge reason for the Blues even in the POs. Probably the biggest reason. How the the Canucks do?

DoubleK · 04-29-2019, 10:49 AM

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Binnington's supposed strike is the low number of games he played - 32. But how many games do they expect a rookie to start? Grubaeur started only 37. Mrazek started 40.

Plus I think he's a huge reason for the Blues even in the POs. Probably the biggest reason. How the the Canucks do?

It has to be Binnington. Those numbers he put up are insane.

GioforPM · 04-29-2019, 10:50 AM

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It has to be Binnington. Those numbers he put up are insane.

I agree. But I would bet it's going to be Petterson.

Benched · 04-29-2019, 03:28 PM

yep. should be Binnington but the lack of playing the full year is going to hurt him. Going to be Petterson

GioforPM · 04-29-2019, 08:36 PM

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yep. should be Binnington but the lack of playing the full year is going to hurt him. Going to be Petterson

I wonder if it would be different if he was at least the backup for the first half of the season.

Blaster86 · 04-29-2019, 11:06 PM

Heiskenen got ####ing jobbed.

ForeverFlameFan · 04-29-2019, 11:24 PM

Pettersson deserves it.

CorsiHockeyLeague · 04-30-2019, 07:11 AM

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Binnington's supposed strike is the low number of games he played - 32. But how many games do they expect a rookie to start? Grubaeur started only 37. Mrazek started 40.

He had 30 starts, not 32. The concern is that a goalie can get hot for 30 games. See Hammond, Andrew. So that might have given voters hesitation at the time they voted, which was before the playoffs - I would say the playoffs have probably erased some doubts about his ability to keep his level high but the voters didn't have that information at the time.

The other issue is that rookie goalies getting the calder have in the past fizzled out - the last two have been Mason and Raycroft, and before that Nabokov who ended up being a good starter but not a star. So I think voters are gun shy on goalies in general.

GioforPM · 04-30-2019, 07:42 AM

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He had 30 starts, not 32. The concern is that a goalie can get hot for 30 games. See Hammond, Andrew. So that might have given voters hesitation at the time they voted, which was before the playoffs - I would say the playoffs have probably erased some doubts about his ability to keep his level high but the voters didn't have that information at the time.

The other issue is that rookie goalies getting the calder have in the past fizzled out - the last two have been Mason and Raycroft, and before that Nabokov who ended up being a good starter but not a star. So I think voters are gun shy on goalies in general.

I said 32 games played in. He came in relief for a couple games. Even 30 is pretty good for a rookie.

I get all your points, but surely any rookie can get hot for a season, or even put up enough points in a portion of a season (usually the beginning or in garbage time) to get consideration. Tyler Myers has never equaled his rookie year points-wise. I mean, the award is for the player who has the best rookie season, not who is going to be the best player (see no wins for Crosby/McDavid/Iginla).

CorsiHockeyLeague · 04-30-2019, 10:48 AM

Crosby was a special case because of the lockout and Ovechkin, in most years he would have won it. McDavid also almost won despite his injury. You should know these are not good examples.

The last ten forwards to win the Calder have been Barzal, Matthews, Panarin, MacKinnon, Huberdeau, Landeskog, Skinner, Patrick Kane and Malkin. The only arguably weak pick in that lineup just scored 40 goals.

cznTiburon · 04-30-2019, 11:11 AM

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Heiskenen got ####ing jobbed.

I'm not sure how you can say he was jobbed, if anything it was pretty close and they had to pick one. It makes it seem like this was highway robbery he wasn't nominate when it was actually really a toss up

They played an equal amount of games and Dahlin had 11 more points. +/- was pretty much the same and their underlying numbers were really close as well.

Heiskenen did a little bit better getting chances with a slightly lower Offensive Zone Start but their stats are close enough it looks like a toss up and they went with Dahlin (who is younger as well by 9 months). Neither has much chance anyways as it seems most are of the belief Pettersson will win with Binington second.