03-30-2019, 11:27 AM
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Jesus, that guy has a great agent.
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03-30-2019, 11:37 AM
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Lindholm was 6 years 4.85. Seems like a quite the gamble with the limited sample size.
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03-30-2019, 11:42 AM
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#23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flash Walken
Just because you're a budget team doesn't mean you get to ignore market pricing.
50 points get you 5+ million.
Being a budget team just means you can't afford as many of those contracts.
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Exactly, they can't afford as many. Which is why they shouldn't have given one to Schmaltz.
Last edited by Enoch Root; 03-30-2019 at 11:46 AM.
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03-30-2019, 11:45 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
He hasn't been playing with anyone. He's been hurt for months. However, when Schmaltz, Galchenyuk, and Stepan were all in the lineup, Schmaltz was the 1C, Stepan was the 2C, and Galchenyuk was on the wing.
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Yes, which is why he had good production so far. But the question for this contract is one what line will he be playing going forward? Too soon to know. Therefore a bridge deal.
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03-30-2019, 11:45 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbob
Lindholm was 6 years 4.85. Seems like a quite the gamble with the limited sample size.
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Lindholm signed for less than 5 because he had never hit 20 goals or 50 points.
Schmaltz has done both.
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03-30-2019, 11:47 AM
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Once.
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03-30-2019, 11:47 AM
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But again, the Yotes are working on a 2015 budget
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03-30-2019, 11:48 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Once.
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Right, but not like it was once in 10 seasons.
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03-30-2019, 11:48 AM
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This is a high risk high reward contract IMO. That doesn't necessarily work for a strict budget team like the Coyotes. If Schmaltz lives up to his billing or keeps on improving, this can be a steal of a contract. But there is always the risk of a one hit wonder.
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03-30-2019, 11:50 AM
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Lindholm at $4.85 with the Flames is completely different than Schmaltz at $5 .85 with the Yotes
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03-30-2019, 11:53 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Once.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
But again, the Yotes are working on a 2015 budget
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He's 23 years old.
What do they do, walk away from him because he is looking for market rate on his deal?
Don't sign anyone because they are on a 2015 budget?
Are there guys knocking down the door to play there? Did he fall into their lap or did they pay a pretty good price to get him?
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03-30-2019, 11:54 AM
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Once. Lindolm flirted with 20 and 50 a couple times. Coyotes have gone all in and are hoping it works. Very oilerish approach.
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03-30-2019, 11:57 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flash Walken
He's 23 years old.
What do they do, walk away from him because he is looking for market rate on his deal?
Don't sign anyone because they are on a 2015 budget?
Are there guys knocking down the door to play there? Did he fall into their lap or did they pay a pretty good price to get him?
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Good points. Must be tough to get players to sign in a team with an uncertain future. I think a bridge deal would have been better for the Coyotes.
This deal just has the chance of blowing up on them, and they might not have the financial strength to absorb it and stay competitive. For their sake, hopefully it doesn't
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03-30-2019, 12:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
But again, the Yotes are working on a 2015 budget
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I don't get your point. If Schmaltz ends up their 2nd line centre and the Yotes can't afford that kind of money for a 2nd line centre, then they can just trade him to a team that will happily take a second line centre for that money.
Btw Neal had only hit 50 pts one time in previous four season when the Flames gave him a similar contract. I'd much rather have Schmaltz.
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03-30-2019, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Haplo
I don't get your point. If Schmaltz ends up their 2nd line centre and the Yotes can't afford that kind of money for a 2nd line centre, then they can just trade him to a team that will happily take a second line centre for that money.
Btw Neal had only hit 50 pts one time in previous four season when the Flames gave him a similar contract. I'd much rather have Schmaltz.
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03-30-2019, 12:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flash Walken
He's 23 years old.
What do they do, walk away from him because he is looking for market rate on his deal?
Don't sign anyone because they are on a 2015 budget?
Are there guys knocking down the door to play there? Did he fall into their lap or did they pay a pretty good price to get him?
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Bridge deal. Not sure why you're taking things to the extreme to try and make a point.
"We think you're a really good player, a part of the core going forward. But after only 17 games, we just aren't sure - how can we be? And because of that risk, we can only offer $4.75 x 7 yrs. Instead, let's do a two-year bridge deal (2 x $4m?) and if you are the player that you and we believe you are, then there is real money waiting for you on your next contract."
That gives the Yotes some time to see if these young players can take the team to the next level, which might actually put some butts in seats, and it will give them some time to see who the key players are.
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03-30-2019, 01:37 PM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
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Interesting, one of those rare backloaded contracts:
Craig Morgan @craigsmorgan
Nick Schmaltz contract breakdown:
$2.5M/$500K SB
$3M
$5M/$1.5M SB
$4.5M
$7.5M
$6.95M/$1.5M SB
$7M/$1.5M
NTC - 10 team no trade list last 3 seasons
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03-30-2019, 01:41 PM
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That is crazy.
Maybe the Coyotes think they will be gone and won’t have to pay in 3 years& on.
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03-30-2019, 01:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
Interesting, one of those rare backloaded contracts:
Craig Morgan @craigsmorgan
Nick Schmaltz contract breakdown:
$2.5M/$500K SB
$3M
$5M/$1.5M SB
$4.5M
$7.5M
$6.95M/$1.5M SB
$7M/$1.5M
NTC - 10 team no trade list last 3 seasons
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Doesn't this circumvent the cap? I was under the impression that the highest yearly salary in a contract was unable to be more than twice that of any other year of the contract
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03-30-2019, 02:01 PM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Doesn't this circumvent the cap? I was under the impression that the highest yearly salary in a contract was unable to be more than twice that of any other year of the contract
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That is only if the contract is considered front loaded.
Good summary here:
https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2016...contracts.html
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