When the people witness the actions of Trump, and what went on the other day, do you not see the wisdom in cooling things down?
That's a point of view. Do you think it is reasonable to try and negotiate with terrorists who did not reason themselves into their point of view in the first place? No, it's a waste of time.
The answer is you swiftly bring things back to reality and start fixing #### now. The illusion is already starting to wear off of all but the most staunch of moron true-believers. The Democratic Party has received a mandate from the majority of voters in securing the House, the Senate, and the Presidency to start running the country their way. Republicans did it when they captured the House, Senate, and Presidency in 2016.
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Right. Thing is: Always, forever and ever, the "left" is held responsible for moderating, for finding common ground, for "calming the pendulum" or whatever. So what happens? What was the reason the pendulum swung so far to the right this time? Oh, yeah, because Obama's almost entirely centrist policies completely muddled what the center is to Republicans.
#### calming the pendulum. Swing it as left as you can (as left as Biden is capable of, which if we're being honest is really not that left). And then let the chips fall where they may, because (like it is for the left now!) it is going to be a lot harder to swing far right if you're starting from a place left of center, than center or center-right.
I'm tired of the moderate nonsense that basically just seeks to placate the far right while erasing everyone left of center. It's some serious bull####, if I'm being blunt.
The pendulum is swinging violently? lol, with all due respect come on. Name the last time the pendulum swung violently to the left in the US. All it's been doing is slowing shifting it's center axis right. Time to put a plug in that nonsense.
The best bet is to cram in as much as you can in 2 years. Every last bit of it. Forget what the right thinks. This is Biden, not Bernie, Biden can roll every policy he can imagine in 2 years and they might swing things to the center. Maybe. What are people scared of? Centrism? Ooooo, boring centrism! Better be careful!
Treating politics like team sports the a big part of the reason for this mess. Continuing that isn't helpful for anyone.
We are talking about the U.S. here though. Their "center" is still pretty right. Do the majority of people want Biden to swing things as far left as possible? I would say probably not. That's why the burden is on the left to calm things down.
Don't under estimate right wing extremism in the U.S. right now. Preventing it from taking hold should be the first goal because anything Biden does now with the power they have can be easily undone in 4 years if they don't win over moderate conservatives.
It's funny though, because you can see the opposite happen in Canada. Right wing conservatives often have to moderate their agenda, especially on social issues, to avoid upsetting the population base where the left holds the balance of power. In the U.S., the right holds the balance power. You have the Bernie and AOC crowd representing the far left, but there are probably as many or more Democrat supporters that are right of center.
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That's a point of view. Do you think it is reasonable to try and negotiate with terrorists who did not reason themselves into their point of view in the first place? No, it's a waste of time.
The answer is you swiftly bring things back to reality and start fixing #### now. The illusion is already starting to wear off of all but the most staunch of moron true-believers. The Democratic Party has received a mandate from the majority of voters in securing the House, the Senate, and the Presidency to start running the country their way. Republicans did it when they captured the House, Senate, and Presidency in 2016.
I guess question is, "should you copy the actions of Trump in his first days in office by ramming through as much as possible or not?". I agree with the above, that tackling covid and the economy should be top priority, and that other more contentious issues like gun control and the environment should be left until things cool off.
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When the people witness the actions of Trump, and what went on the other day, do you not see the wisdom in cooling things down?
Cooling down rhetoric, sure. Not progressing policy?....as Mitch McConnell said, “elections have consequences”. Biden campaigned on doing things so he should do them. In the process demonstrate that they’re not communist and that they do benefit all citizens. If he can steer clear of hot button issues for a while it would help but he can’t be held hostage to political unrest that was fomented by his predecessor
I guess question is, "should you copy the actions of Trump in his first days in office by ramming through as much as possible or not?". I agree with the above, that tackling covid and the economy should be top priority.
Erase. His. Legacy.
The people have a short attention span. The sooner you erase Trump from their memories, the sooner they will move on or hide back in their holes.
The average person is a total coward and unless emboldened, will do nothing that doesn't directly make things better for themselves.
We are a risk averse people. Without Trump, people aren't going to risk this garbage anymore.
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Right. Thing is: Always, forever and ever, the "left" is held responsible for moderating, for finding common ground, for "calming the pendulum" or whatever. So what happens? What was the reason the pendulum swung so far to the right this time? Oh, yeah, because Obama's almost entirely centrist policies completely muddled what the center is to Republicans.
#### calming the pendulum. Swing it as left as you can (as left as Biden is capable of, which if we're being honest is really not that left). And then let the chips fall where they may, because (like it is for the left now!) it is going to be a lot harder to swing far right if you're starting from a place left of center, than center or center-right.
I'm tired of the moderate nonsense that basically just seeks to placate the far right while erasing everyone left of center. It's some serious bull####, if I'm being blunt.
The pendulum is swinging violently? lol, with all due respect come on. Name the last time the pendulum swung violently to the left in the US. All it's been doing is slowing shifting it's center axis right. Time to put a plug in that nonsense.
The best bet is to cram in as much as you can in 2 years. Every last bit of it. Forget what the right thinks. This is Biden, not Bernie, Biden can roll every policy he can imagine in 2 years and they might swing things to the center. Maybe. What are people scared of? Centrism? Ooooo, boring centrism! Better be careful!
EDIT: This post comes off even cattier than usual reading it back, which is not directed at you FlamesAddiction, I'm just really really tired of the handholding line of thinking.
It doesn't have to be all right or left. Just find good, smart policies that are implemented well and they will be popular. Obamacare kind of sucked. It didn't suck because it was too far left, or too centrist, it just helped some people a lot, was poorly implemented, made things worse for too many people, and didn't do anything for the majority of people.
Doing something like a national $15 wage with no exceptions for anyone, including tip paying jobs, and it will crater a lot of local economies and industries, while having zero affect on other areas. You have to figure out something smarter than simple solutions. A lot of socialist type ideas do have the potential for negative influence. They should be considered and accounted for, otherwise they may end up hurting the people you are trying to help.
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Just to make sure we're not getting confused here. I believe Biden should do all the things he was elected on in the two years he has maximum control, because that might be all he has.
When I say "as left as possible" I mean in terms of Biden and what he was elected on. As in, don't shy away from policies you were elected on because it might be "too far left." It's Biden, not Karl Marx reborn or something, we're talking very moderate and centrist policies here, even the "contentious" ones. Trust me, the left or far left in American is not super excited about getting what they want in the next few years. We're talking about a very very moderate President. So to suggest he should shy away from some of his planned policies until things "chill" is kind of just ridiculous.
It's not about team sports, or implementing things just because they are left of center, don't get it twisted. Naturally, many of his policies will be "left" of where we are today, but his changes may still make the policies "center right" type policies.
People sitting around in Canada suggesting Biden, a centrist even by American Democrat standards, should not implement the policies he was elected on while he has control to do so because... I dunno.... it's everyone's job to baby the far right... is pretty ####ing stupid. If you want to argue that he shouldn't implement certain policies because they're bad policies, be my guest. Great position to argue. But shelving what might actually be good policies because "feelings" is wild. Canadians are so weird.
"Hey guys, got this great policy that we were elected on, gonna help a lot of people. But you know what, because this might stir up a little animosity on the further ends of the right, based solely on the fact that it's kinda center-left and not based on the validity of the policy at all, we're going to shelve it for a few years. Maybe we'll get to it, maybe not, and if we lose majority control... ah schucks... that's the way the cookie crumbles!"
Biden has a job to do and now it's time that he goes and does that job. This is democracy. Any talk about team sports or right wing extremism is just meaningless nonsense. He puts in the policies he was elected for, and in a few years people will vote on whether they want more or less. This is how it works.
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Pepsi's pretty much right. Biden needs to mercilessly execute on his entire vision as quickly as possible with a def ear to republicans.
The idea of moderating is nice, but there are a couple of mitigating factors.
The republican base actually prefers democratic policies when polled on specific policy details, they just are too engrained in their identity biases to even listen to what politicians on both sides are actually saying.
And the republicans have completely weaponized the idea of cooperation and compromise, because they don't believe in governance. If you are comfortable with ripping apart everything that makes a modern nation function because you don't believe in government, then you can't be treated as a good faith actor in policy making.
If Biden wants to push democratic reform, expanding the senate, voting rights, census modernization.... he should do it.
If Biden wants to borrow to create good jobs, he should just do it.
If he wants to address for profit health care
If he wants to do something about guns
If he wants to unpack the McConnell courts.
I don't think there is a reason for him to bat an eye at a word the republicans say, because they don't believe in serving the people.
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It's somewhat ironic that the age of Trump overlapped with Covid-19.
As terrible as Covid has been, the virus itself is, relatively speaking, not that dangerous. Imagine if this was a much more deadly virus like Ebola. Covid allowed the US (and other parts of the world) to practice how to handle a more deadly virus. Unfortunately, hundreds of thousands died in the process.
Similarly, Trump was too stupid to be a really effective tyrant. We are fortunate that he was a narcissist and not an ideologue. But he has also helped to set a path for the next wannabe fascist dictator and that one may be not just nefarious but also competent. The US must take the time in the next two years to put into law all those things that were previously tradition that Trump ignored. The US democracy can't be based on a system of trust when the political apparatus is full of con-men, sycophants, sociopaths and money-grubbing bastards.
Obamacare kind of sucked. It didn't suck because it was too far left, or too centrist, it just helped some people a lot, was poorly implemented, made things worse for too many people, and didn't do anything for the majority of people.
Goddamn are our memories so short we don't remember why Obamacare/ACA ended up being a half-measure?
Amen to that. Democrats went out of their way to be inclusive to the republicans and then the republicans still spent a decade trying to repeal it.
That is why I am inclined to be on the side of just pushing through what is wanted. I know it loses some moral high ground, but I really am sick of only 1 side being expected to play by the rules.
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