[News] Update: Flames sign Johannes Kinnvall to a 2 yr ELC. Will come to NA after 20/21

[dustygoon]

This is why i was surprised guys like Gawdin and Poirer get voted by us above Kinnvall. Guy has really amazing numbers.

[djsFlames]

Between Kinvall, Valimaki and Mackey our blue line is going to be stacked with talent in relatively short order I think.

Which is all the more reason why Treliving needs to focus his efforts on improving the forward group.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

This is why i was surprised guys like Gawdin and Poirer get voted by us above Kinnvall. Guy has really amazing numbers.

Gawdin and Phillips should not have been top 10 picks IMO.

[Enoch Root]

Are Kinnvall's numbers even more impressive than Valimaki's?

He is only 1 year older (15 months), and he has put up 11 pts in 8 games in the SHL vs 11 in 11 in Liiga for Valimaki. (SHL is the better league)

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Are Kinnvall's numbers even more impressive than Valimaki's?

He is only 1 year older (15 months), and he has put up 11 pts in 8 games in the SHL vs 11 in 11 in Liiga for Valimaki. (SHL is the better league)

I’m pretty excited for both.

I really like the look of our d core.

With all the young and emerging players it really makes you think a guy like Hanifin could be trade bait at some point.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Are Kinnvall's numbers even more impressive than Valimaki's?

He is only 1 year older (15 months), and he has put up 11 pts in 8 games in the SHL vs 11 in 11 in Liiga for Valimaki. (SHL is the better league)

That's a very good point with them being close in age, but I will also factor-in Valimaki's injury and the length of time he missed this past season.


It will be interesting to see how they both are doing as every month passes as it is a small sample size. Looks like Calgary has two exciting defencemen on their way.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Are Kinnvall's numbers even more impressive than Valimaki's?

He is only 1 year older (15 months), and he has put up 11 pts in 8 games in the SHL vs 11 in 11 in Liiga for Valimaki. (SHL is the better league)

I'd say there's arguments to be made both ways.

Välimäki plays for one of the best and highest scoring teams in his league, and that tends to inflate assists somewhat for defensmen. Kinnvall plays for a midtier team, and he has more goals suggesting he's more of a primary contributor. Since SHL is the better league, yes you can easily say that Kinnvalls numbers are more impressive.

If you consider both injuries and age, Välimäki has had two years less time to develop, which is a huge difference for young defensmen. Big enough that I think you could argue for advantage Välimäki.

I would also say that sample size is really too small for the numbers to be that informative.

In any case, we have one of the very best young defensemen from two of the best currently active leagues. Even a cynic like me is forced to feel something positive about that.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Between Kinvall, Valimaki and Mackey our blue line is going to be stacked with talent in relatively short order I think.

Which is all the more reason why Treliving needs to focus his efforts on improving the forward group.

And this was after trading Hamilton and Fox, and letting Brodie and Hamonic walk.

I’m really appreciating our drafting and unstaffed free agents from this group.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Between Kinvall, Valimaki and Mackey our blue line is going to be stacked with talent in relatively short order I think.

Which is all the more reason why Treliving needs to focus his efforts on improving the forward group.

Agreed but don’t forget Poolman and Kuznetsov...moving forward. Very high end prospects.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by timbit

Agreed but don’t forget Poolman and Kuznetsov...moving forward. Very high end prospects.

They're a little further down the road, but absolutely.

I think we have among the best D-prospect pools out there. I'm pretty certain we'll hit with at least 3 of those 5 guys.

And for netminders we have two very high end goalies with Parsons still a darkhorse.

We need to load up on Cs and RWs at the next draft IMO. Team direly needs to hit a home run with one of its center prospects soon. As I said in a previous thread, it's not a good sign that we haven't been able to draft a Backlund replacement since Backlund himself in 2007. That's a long time.

[Boreal]

Is Kinnvall a Loob find?

The Flames also had Philly’s Phillipe Myers at Development camp but let him walk, only to be quickly snatched up by Philly.

If these prospects turn out, it makes the Tanev signing look worse but these are the problems teams want to have.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Boreal

Is Kinnvall a Loob find?

The Flames also had Philly’s Phillipe Myers at Development camp but let him walk, only to be quickly snatched up by Philly.

If these prospects turn out, it makes the Tanev signing look worse but these are the problems teams want to have.

Jake Christiansen and Max Verroneau come to mind as two camp invitees who went to other teams as well. These guys rarely pan out. But hey, we won the Spencer Foo sweepstakes! lol

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Boreal

Is Kinnvall a Loob find?

The Flames also had Philly’s Phillipe Myers at Development camp but let him walk, only to be quickly snatched up by Philly.

If these prospects turn out, it makes the Tanev signing look worse but these are the problems teams want to have.

We probably just needed a 1-2 year contract for a vet d-man, not a four year one at 4.5M. But it's not the worst I've seen.

I expect Tanev will no longer be needed by year 3.

[Roof-Daddy]

Valimaki
Kylington
Mackey
Poirier
Kinvall
Kuznetsov
Poolman
Lerby
Yelesin
Solovyov


Decent D pool.

Half of them free agent signings too.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

We probably just needed a 1-2 year contract for a vet d-man, not a four year one at 4.5M. But it's not the worst I've seen.

I expect Tanev will no longer be needed by year 3.

I think we are losing Tanev in the Expansion draft.

If he puts up a solid season it would pretty much be a no brainer for Seattle to take him.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

I think we are losing Tanev in the Expansion draft.

If he puts up a solid season it would pretty much be a no brainer for Seattle to take him.

Only if management are dumb enough to protect Gio.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

I think we are losing Tanev in the Expansion draft.

If he puts up a solid season it would pretty much be a no brainer for Seattle to take him.

They'd be taking on the worst years of that contract. My guess is that the vets they pick will have little term left on their deals. As you say, if he has a tremendous season he would certainly be appealing but I still could see other Flames in play for that selection.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Only if management are dumb enough to protect Gio.

If Seattle selects Tanev then what does it matter if the Flames protected Giordano?

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[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Boreal

Is Kinnvall a Loob find?

The Flames also had Philly’s Phillipe Myers at Development camp but let him walk, only to be quickly snatched up by Philly.

If these prospects turn out, it makes the Tanev signing look worse but these are the problems teams want to have.

This gets said sometimes and it isn't true.
Just because a FA prospect attends a development camp - doesn't mean there the team holds any actual rights over the player. The opportunity is to build a relationship and expose the player to your organization. This building of trust is partly what led to Mackey signing with the Flames. But it doesn't work every time - meaning the player can choose to sign elsewhere because they are completely free agents.

Meaning, the Flames didn't let him walk. He chose to sign with another team. The Flames had no rights to the player.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Valimaki
Kylington
Mackey
Poirier
Kinvall
Kuznetsov
Poolman
Lerby
Yelesin
Solovyov

Decent D pool.

Half of them free agent signings too.

Also Boltmann. And Andersson and Hanifin are only 24 and 23 respectively. So the depth, 24 and under, looks like this (LD - RD)

Hanifin.... (23) - Andersson (24)
Valimaki.. (22) - Kylington (23)
Mackey.... (24) - Kinnvall (23)
Poolman.. (24) - Yelesin (24)
Kuznetsov (18) - Boltmann (19)
Poirier...... (18)
Solovyov.. (20)

I would say that is pretty solid depth.

So let's say we iced only these guys as our lineup this year (assuming we didn't have Gio, Tanev, Nesterov or Petrovic):

Hanifin - Andersson
Valimaki - Kylington
Mackey - Kinnvall
Poolman - Yelesin

would this be better or worse than the Oiler's actual D core?

Nurse - Barrie
Jones - Larsson
Russell - Bear
Broberg - Bouchard

(Klefbom is likely out for the season)