[Trade] UPD: Carolina buys out Marleau

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Carolina isn't a cap team. Also, I've heard that Aho and Pesce are on the block. Another Canes rebuild?

They dont need to be a cap team.

They still need to reach the floor as well.

Aho is going no where.

Pesce maybe dealt, but that is a huge area of strength for them. So that makes sense.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

So to move Neal the cost is about 4 first rounders.

Two big differences between Marleau's and Neal's contracts: 1) Marleau's deal is a toxic +35 contract, and 2) it carries a full NMC.

[transplant99]

Marleau obviously knew this was coming as he has already released this statement..


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[Erick Estrada]

This is a steep price for the Leafs but this was always the risk when signing him in the first place.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Two big differences between Marleau's and Neal's contracts: 1) Marleau's deal is a toxic +35 contract, and 2) it carries a full NMC.

Ok man.

[dissentowner]

I hate this deal because now Marleau will sign a one year deal for peanuts with SJ and he can still play. F you SJ.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Two big differences between Marleau's and Neal's contracts: 1) Marleau's deal is a toxic +35 contract, and 2) it carries a full NMC.

It’s one year. That is the biggest difference.

Very impressed Carolina went out and bought a first round pick.

So Neal wouldn’t cost 4 first rounders to get rid of because he can be bought out, but it’s not so simple since he’d stay on the books for 8 years.

In other words, Neal is not moveable without taking money back.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I hate this deal because now Marleau will sign a one year deal for peanuts with SJ and he can still play. F you SJ.

Yeap. They'll probably get 30+ goals and 90+ points for roughly $2 million of cap space on two players with Marleau and Jumbo.

[savemedrzaius]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I hate this deal because now Marleau will sign a one year deal for peanuts with SJ and he can still play. F you SJ.

Marleau sucks. You can look at his stats and think he is decent but he is done. There is a reason the Leafs were willing to give a 1st to get rid of the guy.

This is all on Lou. Why do you sign Marleau to a 3 year deal when it was clear the Leafs would need to sign these young guys this year.

Anyways Patrick Marleau and a 1st for Kappy and Mango.

It's not that bad. I would have hated to lose either of those 2 just for one year of Marleau's corpse.

[Poe969]

I'm pretty sure Marleau has that degenerative back thing....I would love if Carolina didnt have to buy him out.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I'm pretty sure Marleau has that degenerative back thing....I would love if Carolina didnt have to buy him out.

They don't need the cap space, cheaper to just buy him out.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by David Struch

So the cost of a late 1st round draft pick is $6,250,000?

Yes and no. Yes in terms of actual $ cost out the door, but then there is so much more at play given cap space is likely worth more than the actual $ itself, especially with a team like the Leafs where actual $ out the door is irrelevant. I doubt you'd ever find a team that would sell a 1st round pick for $6m actual cash (not even sure you can make that sort of a trade, but for argument's sake, why not)

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

So to move Neal the cost is about 4 first rounders.

Another hilariously bad take in vintage drive-by fashion. In my opinion your bit got stale years ago but you must be a believer in once a classic always a classic

Buying out Marleau does zero for cap relief as it was a 35+ contract, he only wants to play in SJ so there is no value in any team trading for him as he won’t play there. Any team that buys him out has $6.25M in dead cap so the only reason to take on the deal is to buy a draft pick. He has a full NMC which fully limits the return and he is 40 years old. To equate one year of Marleau to one year of Neal is inaccurate and only remotely comparable.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

Marleau sucks. You can look at his stats and think he is decent but he is done. There is a reason the Leafs were willing to give a 1st to get rid of the guy.

This is all on Lou. Why do you sign Marleau to a 3 year deal when it was clear the Leafs would need to sign these young guys this year.

Anyways Patrick Marleau and a 1st for Kappy and Mango.

It's not that bad. I would have hated to lose either of those 2 just for one year of Marleau's corpse.

I think this is more related to the cost of acquiring Tavares. When the Leafs signed Marleau it was really long odds that they would land Tavares the next year. Getting Tavares changed everything and I suspect they knew this could happen.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Another hilariously bad take in vintage drive-by fashion. In my opinion your bit got stale years ago but you must be a believer in once a classic always a classic

Buying out Marleau does zero for cap relief as it was a 35+ contract, he only wants to play in SJ so there is no value in any team trading for him as he won’t play there. Any team that buys him out has $6.25M in dead cap so the only reason to take on the deal is to buy a draft pick. He has a full NMC which fully limits the return and he is 40 years old. To equate one year of Marleau to one year of Neal is inaccurate and only remotely comparable.

Just my opinion but I don't think buyouts are much of an advantage as you're just spreading the pain out over a longer period.

I think Carolina hit a homerun getting a first for Marleau given their cap profile. But trading Neal without taking any salary back would be just about impossible IMO with 4 years left on his deal.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Just my opinion but I don't think buyouts are much of an advantage as you're just spreading the pain out over a longer period.

I think Carolina hit a homerun getting a first for Marleau given their cap profile. But trading Neal without taking any salary back would be just about impossible IMO with 4 years left on his deal.

The Marleau buyout does not provide any cap relief though. This team has $3M in extra space this summer because they bought out Brouwer. I just think the conclusion that in order to dump Neal it will require 4 1st round picks is a trolling comment to make because the situations are far different b

I agree there would be no realistic way to dump Neal by taking zero salary back but I don’t think that was ever a consideration. It was always a money in, money out deal if the Flames found a taker for Neal.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

Marleau sucks. You can look at his stats and think he is decent but he is done. There is a reason the Leafs were willing to give a 1st to get rid of the guy.

This is all on Lou. Why do you sign Marleau to a 3 year deal when it was clear the Leafs would need to sign these young guys this year.

Anyways Patrick Marleau and a 1st for Kappy and Mango.

It's not that bad. I would have hated to lose either of those 2 just for one year of Marleau's corpse.

Marleau does not suck half as bad as Leaf fans.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The Marleau buyout does not provide any cap relief though. This team has $3M in extra space this summer because they bought out Brouwer. I just think the conclusion that in order to dump Neal it will require 4 1st round picks is a trolling comment to make because the situations are far different b

I agree there would be no realistic way to dump Neal by taking zero salary back but I don’t think that was ever a consideration. It was always a money in, money out deal if the Flames found a taker for Neal.

The $3 million savings in the Brouwer buyout in this year is great. But whereas he would be off the books after next year, we get two additional years of dead money for Mr. Brouwer so I honestly don’t know which is worse.

For Carolina, I think one year of Marleau’s cap hit and then having him off the books is preferable.

[TheScorpion]

the Hurricanes have bought out Marleau

https://twitter.com/user/status/1144283299117969409

[Toonage]

Thats an expensive mid to late 1st rounder they bought.