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Flames 2017-18 Flames' NCAA Prospects, General Discussion Thread

The Flames said goodbye to two of their NCAA prospects over the summer:

Brandon Hickey - traded to the Coyotes after the Flames aggressively tried to sign him (and failed) at the end of his junior season.

Tim Harrison - given a brief stint in the ECHL last spring, but the Flames elected not to offer him a NHL contract. But his legendary prowess at winning Stampede mini bikes will live on

The Flames also did not draft any NCAA bound players in the 2017 draft, leaving only two prospects in the US college ranks for the 17/18 season.





Adam Fox - 66th OA 2016 draft | D | 19 year old Sophomore | Harvard University

Fox is perhaps the most exciting Flames prospect not in the pros. He could be

What else can be said about Fox's freshman season? Just amazing and among the best by a 18 year old NCAA freshman in 30 years.

Accolades say it all:
NCAA (East) First All-American Team
NCAA (ECAC) All-Rookie Team
NCAA (ECAC) All-Tournament Team
NCAA (ECAC) Champion
NCAA (ECAC) First All-Star Team
NCAA (New England) Best Defenseman
NCAA (New England) D1 All-Stars
NCAA All-Ivy League First Team
NCAA Ivy-League Rookie of the Year
U20 WJC Gold Medal

Question is how much further can he build on last season?

Projecting the ECAC is hard to do sometimes, but 4 of 5 Harvard's top scoring forwards from last season all graduated this summer which may lead to a drop in the standings unless other players help fill that void. Harvard does get the addition of F Jack Badini (Ducks 3rd round pick 2017) and D Reilly Walsh (Devils 3rd round pick 2017).

Based on the World Junior Summer Showcase, the WJCs this year are going to be a coming out party for him where he will be one of the marquee players for the United States.

2017/18 Schedule: http://www.gocrimson.com/sports/mice/2017-18/schedule

Mitchell Mattson - 126th OA 2016 draft | C | 19 year old | University of North Dakota

Mattson was going to be a project when he was drafted and his draft+1 year proved it. Inconsistent season in the USHL which resulted in a meh year.

He was also scheduled to play for North Dakota this season, BUT the Sioux City Stampede of the USHL traded a 1st round pick (3rd overall) in the USHL Phase II draft and a player for Mattson this past May. This indicates that playing in North Dakota for 2017/18 might not be as firm as once thought and he might be playing in the USHL again next season.

Not necessarily a bad thing to delay going to the NCAA another year. UND is one of the top programs in the NCAA that attracts a lot of top players. If Mattson struggles, it may be difficult for UND to give him the ice time for him to develop.
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Fox was 2nd in ECAC assists (first was Spencer Foo) in his first season. Pretty crazy stats
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Some interesting 19YO seasons at North Dakota:

Chris VandeVelda - 0.24 PPG
Corban Knight - 0.35 PPG
Matt Frattin - 0.35 PPG
Drake Caggiula - 0.57 PPG
Travis Zajac - 0.84 PPG
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What are the odds that Fox stays NCAA for 4 years and becomes free agent.
I would think low since he may outgrow it quicker than say ..
Jankowski or Gaudreau.
Whatever these odds are .. were they the main reason his draft position dropped from expected.
only questions today - I have no answers
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Old 08-16-2017, 05:43 PM   #5
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He fell to the third round because he's not a big kid. He's filling out, though. I'd expect he signs in March/April.
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What are the odds that Fox stays NCAA for 4 years and becomes free agent.
I would think low since he may outgrow it quicker than say ..
Jankowski or Gaudreau.
Whatever these odds are .. were they the main reason his draft position dropped from expected.
only questions today - I have no answers
According to Darren Haynes only 2 of the last 19 Harvard players drafted left early, but I think Fox will be one of those exceptions. Fox is just too good to stay the full 4 years and I can't see him losing out on potentially 2 years of NHL earnings.

http://www.flamesfrom80feet.ca/2017/...things-to.html
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According to Darren Haynes only 2 of the last 19 Harvard players drafted left early, but I think Fox will be one of those exceptions. Fox is just too good to stay the full 4 years and I can't see him losing out on potentially 2 years of NHL earnings.

http://www.flamesfrom80feet.ca/2017/...things-to.html
It's too bad Haynes didn't include the other players in question. I've tried to find it, but can't easily find a list of players who were both NHL drafted and played at Harvard.

Haynes did miss Louis Leblanc on his list. Leblanc signed with the Habs after one year at Harvard, where (like Fox) he won Ivy League Rookie of the Year.


Using hockeydb.com, I was able to find 14 players who were drafted since 1995, played at Harvard, and have played at least one NHL game:
  1. Craig Adams
  2. Chris Bala
  3. Alex Biega
  4. Danny Biega
  5. Tom Cavanagh
  6. Alexander Killorn
  7. Louis Leblanc
  8. Craig MacDonald
  9. Sean Malone
  10. Dominic Moore
  11. Steve Moore
  12. Dylan Reese
  13. Jimmy Vesey
  14. Noah Welch


It's difficult to draw any conclusions by comparing those players to Fox since it's not exactly a list of superstars. Steve Moore is the only one who was a point-a-game player as a (19 year-old) freshman. Some of them never hit a point-a-game at Harvard.

I would bet that most of those players weren't even offered an NHL contract until after their fourth year.
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According to Darren Haynes only 2 of the last 19 Harvard players drafted left early, but I think Fox will be one of those exceptions. Fox is just too good to stay the full 4 years and I can't see him losing out on potentially 2 years of NHL earnings.

http://www.flamesfrom80feet.ca/2017/...things-to.html
If it's NHL earnings who would he displace though?
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If it's NHL earnings who would he displace though?
They could trade Michael Stone next off-season assuming they believe Fox or Andersson is ready to take over. He has a 15 team no trade list but he should still be trade-able assuming he doesn't suck hard this season.
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Mattson is playing preseason games for the Sioux City Stampede... fair to say his UND freshman year has been put off for another season
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Mattson is playing preseason games for the Sioux City Stampede... fair to say his UND freshman year has been put off for another season
Did he not make their team or? Most NHL drafted guys would be playing NCAA by now
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Does this affect the Flames draft rights for Mattson?

The CBA says that a team holds a player's rights for 4 years after the draft if he becomes a College player within 2 years after his draft. If he's pushing back college for another year, that means he won't play a college game until more than 2 years after his draft.

Do the Flames' rights expire next June like they would with a player drafted out of the CHL, or is he still considered a College player because he declared his intent to go to UND, even though he has deferred entry for a couple of years?
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Does this affect the Flames draft rights for Mattson?

The CBA says that a team holds a player's rights for 4 years after the draft if he becomes a College player within 2 years after his draft. If he's pushing back college for another year, that means he won't play a college game until more than 2 years after his draft.

Do the Flames' rights expire next June like they would with a player drafted out of the CHL, or is he still considered a College player because he declared his intent to go to UND, even though he has deferred entry for a couple of years?
Might be a unique case that the Flames will need special dispensation from the NHL and NHLPA.

Even if they don't retain his rights, it is probably not that big a loss given his progression so far.
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The College hockey season got underway this weekend. However, Harvard doesn't play its first game for another few weeks.

They play an exhibition game against the US Under-18 team on October 21, and their regular season begins the following week, on October 29 vs Dartmouth.


Boston University played its first regular season game against Union yesterday. Of note, Brady Tkachuk (Matthew's younger brother) and Ty Amonte (Tony's son) both made their freshman debuts for BU. Tkachuk had one assist and 7 shots in BU's 4-1 win. Hickey had no points in the game.
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Fox #5 on THN's top 75 players to watch in the NCAA

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/ar...aa-this-season
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Fox #5 on THN's top 75 players to watch in the NCAA

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/ar...aa-this-season
Behind only 2 players who were drafted top 10 in 2017 and 2 players expected to go top 10 in 2018.

Good company.
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Brady Tkachuk, RW, Boston U. (2018): He’s a Tkachuk – so he’s nasty to play against, but also skilled enough to fear what he can do with the puck.

How perfect would it be if we - SOMEHOW - got Brady on this team...

Tkachuk - Bennett - Tkachuk would be an absolute nightmare for the opposition.
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He will go high up in the draft unless ho completely bombs this year.
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Yup, we don't even have a pick. We would be giving up a core piece, if we wanted a shot at Brady. Would be cool to have both tho.
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Yup, we don't even have a pick. We would be giving up a core piece, if we wanted a shot at Brady. Would be cool to have both tho.
He will get drafted top 7, play 4 years in NCAA, refuse to sign with the team that drafts him, become UFA and sign with the Flames.

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