06-28-2017, 09:41 AM
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#101
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Gundo
He is arguably the best player in the NHL. The Oilers did what every team that is ever in that position should do. You sign the player to the longest term you can at the money it takes to get the deal done.
The amount of Oilers hatred that fogs some peoples views on this forum to the point they can't make sense of what is just a common sense hockey signing is absolutely baffling.
I dislike the Oilers as much as anyone but at the same time this is a good signing no matter how you look at it, the kid is going to be the best in the game for the next 10+ years. You do what you need to to make that deal happen. If you lose Draisaitl so be it, Draisaitl is no McDavid and if it comes down to making a choice between the two, they made the right/only choice there is to make.
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Lol so we aren't allowed to poke fun that the Oilers will have 22 mill locked up in 2 players? Lots of talk about comparing this situation to chicago's, whose Edmontons Keith? How about Seabrook? Crippling contract
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06-28-2017, 09:41 AM
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#102
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Retired
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Back in Guelph
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Originally Posted by Da_Chief
Thats just bitterness talking. I'd easily trade Guadreau and Monahan for McDavid at $13 mill.
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It is eh? Weird. I just thought it was how I felt as a hockey fan, who understand and appreciates McDavids talents.
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06-28-2017, 09:42 AM
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#103
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
I haven't even seen one person say it was too much money or a bad contract. What we are saying is that Oiler fans were delusional about what he'd sign for.
What we are also saying is that that money, plus Draisaitl, plus Russell, plus Lucic, plus RNH is going to make life very difficult for future cap management. They need to sign or replace Maroon. They need to sign or replace Talbot. Strome is going to be an RFA in one year. Same with Nurse. Same with Caggiula, Benning, Pakarinen and Slepyshev. Their top 4 D (lol) all make over 4, and if they ever want an actual elite defenceman, it's gonna be hard.
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All irrelevant imo, you sign McDavid to maximum term and worry about the rest later. He made Maroon, he made Draisaitl a better player. If it comes to it they will let go of Maroons of the team and find cheaper replacements.
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06-28-2017, 09:42 AM
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#104
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Bay Area
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Are oiler fans freaking? I think they made off like bandits. McDavid could have asked for max $15m or 5 years and oil wouldn't have had a choice.
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06-28-2017, 09:43 AM
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#106
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Da_Chief
Thats just bitterness talking. I'd easily trade Guadreau and Monahan for McDavid at $13 mill.
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Call me a homer but I wouldn't. I guess we'll see whose right in the near future...
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06-28-2017, 09:44 AM
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#107
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Beninho
Lol so we aren't allowed to poke fun that the Oilers will have 22 mill locked up in 2 players? Lots of talk about comparing this situation to chicago's, whose Edmontons Keith? How about Seabrook? Crippling contract
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Edmonton is (poorly) modeling after the Penguins, except for the fact that Draisaitl will never be able to hold Malkin's jock
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06-28-2017, 09:45 AM
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#108
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First Line Centre
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People are saying that this is a great contract if they don't make drafting and development mistakes.
This is being uttered a week after losing a first and a second round pick for absolutely nothing, in the name of 'Griffin Reinhart'.
It's one thing to not be able to develop, but it's hard to develop out of thin air. That's the exact mistake that cannot happen with top heavy teams, and they've already made a few of them.
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06-28-2017, 09:47 AM
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#109
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by Love
Edmonton is (poorly) modeling after the Penguins, except for the fact that Draisaitl will never be able to hold Malkin's jock
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This is the real problem in Edmonton. Malkin has arguably been the second best player in the world over the duration of his time in Pittsburgh. Draisaitl never will be.
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06-28-2017, 09:47 AM
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#110
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by nfotiu
I think TV money drying up will be the biggest story over the next decade. ESPN is making headlines right now with their huge losses due to cord cutting and the resulting loss of carriage fees. RSNs don't make as many headlines, but their losses should be mirroring ESPN. I'd suspect the next wave of local TV deals to have some serious market corrections in the US, and some smaller, independent RSNs may fold if they can't pay out the lucrative rights deals.
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The other thing to consider: The union is expected to go to war once this CBA expires. Ostensibly, eliminating escrow will be the stated concern, but that would take about three seconds to do if they were so inclined. The NHLPA is going to be trying to find a way to break the cap system entirely. So on multiple fronts, the future landscape is undefined.
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06-28-2017, 09:48 AM
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#111
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Franchise Player
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What happened to 9.7M lol
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06-28-2017, 09:51 AM
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#112
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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I wonder what the opposite of a NMC is - he may have asked for it.
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06-28-2017, 09:52 AM
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#113
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by Resolute 14
The other thing to consider: The union is expected to go to war once this CBA expires. Ostensibly, eliminating escrow will be the stated concern, but that would take about three seconds to do if they were so inclined. The NHLPA is going to be trying to find a way to break the cap system entirely. So on multiple fronts, the future landscape is undefined.
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Zero chance of that happening. If anything the Cap % will be lower if the players aren't careful.
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06-28-2017, 09:52 AM
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#114
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: ...the bench
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
I wonder what the opposite of a NMC is - he may have asked for it.
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MMC
Must Move Clause
Kicks in at year 5
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06-28-2017, 09:53 AM
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#115
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
I went in expecting 12 for 5 or 14 for 8, I came close.
I tend to think that with the exception of expansion money that the expectation is that the cap is going to remain flat for a few years. With the drop of the Canadian dollar and commodities pricing I doubt many teams are going to see Cap relief through increases.
On one hand the Oilers did well on this in way by getting a 8 year term they can say they've secured their future, and McDavid wins the public relations battle, (I signed for 8 years and gave you a 1.75 million a year home town discount.
On the other hand, am I convinced that McDavid is an Oiler by the end of the contract? I'm not, If the Oilers don't take advantage of what I see as a short window to win er all he'll be leaving.
looking at not this season but next season, and playing the assumption that Draisiatl gets 7.5 which I tend to think is the upper limit of non insanity
This is what the Oilers have under contract.
RNH 6
Lucic 6
McDavid 13.25
Kassian 1.95
Poulliot 4
Khaira .675
Draisaitl 7.5
Sekeras 5.5
Klefbom 4.167
Larsson 4.167
Russell 4
Gryba .900
Talbot 4.167
62.276
They would need 5 forwards at least one blueliner and a backup
Even if the cap went from this years 75 million to lets say 76 million that leaves about 14 million to fill that in.
Looking at free agents for the year after this one
Strome (RFA) Letestu (UFA) Slepysheve (RFA) Maroon (UFA), Cagigula (RFA), Pakarinen (RFA) Nurse (RFA) Benning (RFA) Broissent (RFA)
The current totals for those players are roughly 13 million, so they can't afford to give raises even if the cap goes up slightly.
The year after that the big one is Cam Talbot.
Its probably doable for the Oilers but they're going to have to make some bold moves to do it.
If Draisaitl signs anything about 7.5 it becomes an almost impossible task without dumping a lot of salary and playing very thin.
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Don't forget they have Puj
So he can be a cheap fill in but may have bonus money, etc.
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06-28-2017, 09:54 AM
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#116
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Resolute 14
The other thing to consider: The union is expected to go to war once this CBA expires. Ostensibly, eliminating escrow will be the stated concern, but that would take about three seconds to do if they were so inclined. The NHLPA is going to be trying to find a way to break the cap system entirely. So on multiple fronts, the future landscape is undefined.
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That would lead to a lockout. Based on how stagnant revenues are likely to be over the next 3 years I would be shocked if the PA pushes to another lockout.
Another lockout will likely do some long term damage to the league and for the players.
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06-28-2017, 09:54 AM
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#117
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Lifetime Suspension
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nm
Last edited by Flamenspiel; 06-28-2017 at 10:08 AM.
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06-28-2017, 09:57 AM
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#118
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Beninho
Call me a homer but I wouldn't. I guess we'll see whose right in the near future...
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Pretty hard for McDavid to outscore both of them combined...maybe I'm a homer too
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06-28-2017, 09:57 AM
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#119
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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Gotta say, it's a good deal for the Oilers. The money is fair value, but the term totally favours the Oilers. 4 years of UFA is a steal for them.
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