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Old 01-14-2019, 12:35 PM   #41
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Yamamoto and a first for James Neal.

That actually would be good for them. James Neal on McDavid's line... Neal may just rekindle his past goal scoring touch.
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This decision isn't coming from Chia, this is Katz all the way.


Are the Oilers having revenue problems and need the playoff revenue?


Are they worried about season ticket sales and box renewals for next year?


Does two games of playoff revenue make any kind of difference?
This is actually a huge underreported factor

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For Daryl Katz and his Edmonton Oilers franchise, this is a massively important business year and, suddenly, that’s the developing story behind the story of what’s going on with this once again nose-diving team.

Sunday, the Oilers traded three players and a draft choice and called up leading point-producer and goal-getter Joseph Gambardella from Bakersfield, hoping to get the attention of the team and find a short-term fix for an injury-riddled defence in almost total disarray and offence lacking secondary scoring before they flush a semi-successful start to the season away.


The moves are a reflection of the Oilers’ current crisis in the standings, brought on by a five-game losing streak. But there’s the potential to be a much bigger crisis than existed last year, when the team went from a 103-point season and Game 7 of the Pacific Division final to missing the playoffs for the 11th time in 12 years.

It’s the third year of the team playing in Rogers Place, and what makes it a developing business crisis is that a significant number of suites and premium seating inventory and all the season tickets are up for renewal at the end of the year.

With the Alberta economy in the toilet, it’s the worst possible time for the Oilers to go back into the tank.
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They have a young developing farward?
Came to say the same thing except I was going to spell it properly.

Rishaug alludes to the Cap crunch so even if they traded all of those things for a good forward they cant even afford to have that player on their roster.

They'd have to move salary out which makes this all a matter of polishing the brass on the Titanic because nobody is taking Lucic and if they move anyone else of actual value then they'll be no better off than they were when they started.

But by all means, go for it. It doesnt really matter if they trade that 1st or keep it, it wont move the needle one bit.
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I can seriously see Chiarelly do a RNH for Simmonds trade, one for one, or a first round pick. Oilers fans should be worried, it does not look like he will be fired until at least the end of the year. Nothing better than a desperate Chia.
A first for Simmonds would work great for Philly, great for Simmonds (he'd pad his stats on McDavid's wing and then go UFA) and so badly for Edmonton off season.
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This decision isn't coming from Chia, this is Katz all the way.


Are the Oilers having revenue problems and need the playoff revenue?


Are they worried about season ticket sales and box renewals for next year?


Does two games of playoff revenue make any kind of difference?
As I said earlier rumour is Katz wants playoffs this year no excuses.
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What a great season so far.

Nothing would be better than trading an unprotected 1st for a rental and they miss the playoffs and win the lottery.
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I could very easily see the Oilers going after a Tyler Toffoli or Andreas Athanasiou type player.

Relatively young. A bit of term so they can sell it to their fans as not being just a rental. It would be a terrible deal for them in the long run, but I could see it happening.
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Came to say the same thing except I was going to spell it properly.

Rishaug alludes to the Cap crunch so even if they traded all of those things for a good forward they cant even afford to have that player on their roster.
Oilers likely would be looking to include Spooner is my guess.

1st Overall
Puljujarvi - $925k (RFA)
Talbot - $4.2M (UFA)
Spooner - $3.1M (+1 year)

My guess is those are the names they are shopping and that is about $8.3M in cap space they could swap out then.

Edit: I wouldn't be surprised if they were shopping Klefbom too...4 years at $4.2M after this one.

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As I said earlier rumour is Katz wants playoffs this year no excuses.



Maybe McDavid wants this to... and will request a trade otherwise.


But more realistically would be the fact that I think Katz thinks that once he gets McDavid into the playoffs, he'll go beast mode and win them a round or two all on his own. Problem is.... I don't see McDavid having a playoff gear - he seems to play all out regardless if it's preseason, regular, or the playoffs (only one sample year there).
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In the recent history of pro sports is there a similar case of a franchise so grossly and completely ruining the career of a generational or quasi generational talent?
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Oilers likely would be looking to include Spooner is my guess.

1st Overall
Puljujarvi - $925k (RFA)
Talbot - $4.2M (UFA)
Spooner - $3.1M (+1 year)

My guess is those are the names they are shopping and that is about $8.3M in cap space they could swap out then.
Besides the first, why would any team do them any favors?
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Maybe McDavid wants this to... and will request a trade otherwise.


But more realistically would be the fact that I think Katz thinks that once he gets McDavid into the playoffs, he'll go beast mode and win them a round or two all on his own. Problem is.... I don't see McDavid having a playoff gear - he seems to play all out regardless if it's preseason, regular, or the playoffs (only one sample year there).
I bet McDavid does have a playoff gear, it's clear he has no choice but to empty the tank now because he plays on a team with three NHL forwards. If he played for the Bruins, he'd be ripping it up for 19 minutes a night.
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In the recent history of pro sports is there a similar case of a franchise so grossly and completely ruining the career of a generational or quasi generational talent?
The Detroit Lions wasted the career of the best RB of all time and the best WR of his generation over the course of 25 years. That's pretty special.
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Besides the first, why would any team do them any favors?
1st is potentially a lottery pick so that has a lot of value (and a McDavid injury down the stretch away from being a top 5 pick).

Puljujarvi would be a good buy low option IMO. I would not be surprised to see him bounce back away from that tire fire.

Talbot is just cap trade off for the rest of the year. If you were say a Philly or St. Louis I don't think they'd have an issue with seeing if Talbot can help with their goalie issues.

Spooner is the one where you'd probably have to add extra incentive since he has 1 year left after this one.

And the other part of this equation is it's not like it's a playoff team trading with the Oilers. It's likely a team looking to get rid of their own big contract or forward they don't think is part of the solution long term.

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Oilers likely would be looking to include Spooner is my guess.

1st Overall
Puljujarvi - $925k (RFA)
Talbot - $4.2M (UFA)
Spooner - $3.1M (+1 year)

My guess is those are the names they are shopping and that is about $8.3M in cap space they could swap out then.

That's horrible.... besides the 1st overall. I definitely don't want Talbot or Spooner, however... if the deal is right (aka: I'm getting rid of my crap too or UFA's I can't sign)... I might consider taking Talbot and just eating that contract until the end of the year. Puljujarvi... that's a Curtis Lazar type project, was it just Edmonton... or is he flawed... he seems like a lazy player to me.
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I bet McDavid does have a playoff gear, it's clear he has no choice but to empty the tank now because he plays on a team with three NHL forwards. If he played for the Bruins, he'd be ripping it up for 19 minutes a night.

Ok.... I can see that point... he doesn't seem to have gears in Edmonton.
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Oilers likely would be looking to include Spooner is my guess.

1st Overall
Puljujarvi - $925k (RFA)
Talbot - $4.2M (UFA)
Spooner - $3.1M (+1 year)

My guess is those are the names they are shopping and that is about $8.3M in cap space they could swap out then.

Edit: I wouldn't be surprised if they were shopping Klefbom too...4 years at $4.2M after this one.
Yeah, but who would want any of the rest of that? Other than the 1st thats a bunch of garbage.

A guy who cant hack the worst team's Top 6 and doesnt have the skill-set for a Bottom 6 role, an expiring Talbot who really isnt much of an upgrade on anyone, someone might want him as a reliable backup for playoff insurance but thats not worth much and Ryan Spooner who is....well hes Ryan Spooner. He'll be better on anyone else's team than Edmonton but thats a lot of money for Ryan Spooner.
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I can see them overpaying to get Ferland. If I were an Oiler fan, I would be worried that they're letting Chia make this move.
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Tampa’s gonna eff them in the a on this trade
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Oilers likely would be looking to include Spooner is my guess.

1st Overall
Puljujarvi - $925k (RFA)
Talbot - $4.2M (UFA)
Spooner - $3.1M (+1 year)

My guess is those are the names they are shopping and that is about $8.3M in cap space they could swap out then.

Edit: I wouldn't be surprised if they were shopping Klefbom too...4 years at $4.2M after this one.
That looks a bunch of garbage if they are trying to get a legit top 6 forward. If they are looking for a Tarasenko type forward they would need to add the 2019 second round pick, and add Yamamoto.

2019 1st Pick
2019 2nd Pick
Puljujarvi - $925k (RFA)
YamaMoto
Talbot - $4.2M (UFA)
Spooner - $3.1M (+1 year)
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