2019 NFL off season thread

[devo22]

a 3rd + a 5th is very disappointing. I knew a 1st was going to be unrealistic, but not even a 2nd ... that sucks. Glad it's finally over though and I understand why there wasn't a bigger market to drive up the price. In the end, the Steelers didn't have a strong hand here.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Not sure how anyone can spin this as a bad trade for the Raiders. To get arguably the best receiver in the league and a sure HOF player for a 3rd and a 5th is robbery. The $30 million guaranteed isn't nearly as high as the supposed contract demands were. It could still blow up if Brown doesn't get back to business but I feel he's a guy with a chip on his shoulder that's going to want to go out and prove he's still one of the best outside that offense. If you set the bar low and get 3 x 1000 yard seasons out of this deal it's still a total win.

Value wise, its a steal. A 3rd and a 5th for a talent like that is unprecedented. .

However, he is also the single biggest diva in the game, and unquestionably has thrown team mates under the bus because he didnt get his way. The effect that will have on what was a really bad football team already, remains to be seen but the chances he is a guy that helps them in the locker room are somewhere between none and less than zero.

Add into that whole thing a Jon Gruden who looks like a deer in the headlights since coming back but still has all the power of personnel guy and head coach?

Yeah I can see how this is probably going to play out.

[browna]

Yeah, he’s been a diva for year, showing up in outlandish cars for training camp. Though it was for charity, it was always about him, as an example.

And he’s a front runner, Tomlin’s inabilty to control that locker room let him and others run run amok, (Rothelsberger for years, the guys turning on Harrison, Bell etc, Brown with the Facebook live stuff) and then when they missed the playoffs this year, and someone there figured they finally should start cracking down on some of that stuff, he points fingers at others in the room.

He will come in and do and say the right things. But without individual success, followed closely by team success, he’s going to be a headache for Carr and Gruden and whoever the OC is by week 12 this year and not likely to get better.

[devo22]

AB left the team three times this year and left them hanging at the end. Indefensible, I don't know how there could even be a debate about this.

and yeah, Ben being an ####### and AB being an ####### is not mutually exclusive.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Value wise, its a steal. A 3rd and a 5th for a talent like that is unprecedented. .

However, he is also the single biggest diva in the game, and unquestionably has thrown team mates under the bus because he didnt get his way. The effect that will have on what was a really bad football team already, remains to be seen but the chances he is a guy that helps them in the locker room are somewhere between none and less than zero.

Add into that whole thing a Jon Gruden who looks like a deer in the headlights since coming back but still has all the power of personnel guy and head coach?

Yeah I can see how this is probably going to play out.

Let's not forget the entire situation in Pittsburgh started because Big Ben threw Brown under the bus publicly in the media and there's clear evidence that Ben was getting preferential treatment in the locker room from the coaching staff. The aftermath of that was simply Brown playing the Steelers like a fiddle and forcing a team that held all the leverage to take a $21 million dead cap hit and minimal trade return which never happens. Anyone remotely interested in the fine details of this trade should give this a read as it implies the Steelers are not handling their top players the right way when it comes to contracts;

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...rs-raiders-won

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Let's not forget the entire situation in Pittsburgh started because Big Ben threw Brown under the bus publicly in the media and there's clear evidence that Ben was getting preferential treatment in the locker room from the coaching staff. The aftermath of that was simply Brown playing the Steelers like a fiddle and forcing a team that held all the leverage to take a $21 million dead cap hit and minimal trade return which never happens. Anyone remotely interested in the fine details of this trade should give this a read as it implies the Steelers are not handling their top players the right way when it comes to contracts;

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...rs-raiders-won

Why do you think he only returned what he did to the Steelers?

Certainly not because he is short on talent, that has ever been in doubt by anyone ever in this saga. The money isn't anywhere close to a stumbling block for anyone except the Steelers who really screwed themselves with the way they restructured his deal previously.

I get it, your a Raiders honk and adding a guy like this is exciting. He is still a diva no matter how you want to think otherwise though. With Carr now in question as the franchise QB moving forward, a HC who looked way over his head in his return, a league worst defense in ppg surrendered, and a division with the Chiefs and the Chargers going no where....not sure adding a headcase WR (albeit a great one) who cares about himself above all, is going to end up playing out all that great.

I will say though that he should be a great fit for the Raiders when they get to Vegas. He will be on billboards and all over local media I'm guessing.

[Sylvanfan]

I can't wait to hear Browns opinion of Regina

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I can't wait to hear Browns opinion of Regina

I don't think that's been confirmed or anything.

[Sylvanfan]

I wonder if the Raiders will look at Justin Houston. They need a pass rusher and Houston when healthy is still effective. Not worth his current price tag but at half that would be a good add.

[transplant99]

Also dont know if mentioned..

It didn't take long for running back Carlos Hyde to find another job, as he agreed to a one-year deal with the Kansas City Chiefs on Saturday, a source told ESPN's Adam Schefter.

The deal is for $2.8 million, with $1.6 million being guaranteed, a source told Schefter.

The 28-year-old Hyde, who has rushed for 3,302 yards and 26 touchdowns in his five NFL seasons, was released Friday by the Jacksonville Jaguars, who saved $4.7 million against the salary cap.

[d_phaneuf]

Raiders adding the best tackle in FA trent brown, that's a great move, improves two positions cause kolton miller moves over to RT

[Senator Clay Davis]

Just like the Giants added the best tackle last year in Nate Solder. But textbook example of good teams staying good and bad teams staying bad. Brown doesn't actually grade out that well, commits a lot of penalties (which makes him a natural Raider), but he was great in the playoffs so someone overpays while the Pats get a third round comp pick later on, and given their draft history, there's at least a 60% chance that pick ends up being a better player than Brown, for far less money. Pats are just the absolute gold standard for exemplary run franchises.

[Simanium]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Just like the Giants added the best tackle last year in Nate Solder. But textbook example of good teams staying good and bad teams staying bad. Brown doesn't actually grade out that well, commits a lot of penalties (which makes him a natural Raider), but he was great in the playoffs so someone overpays while the Pats get a third round comp pick later on, and given their draft history, there's at least a 60% chance that pick ends up being a better player than Brown, for far less money. Pats are just the absolute gold standard for exemplary run franchises.

When you look at how the Pats play the compensatory draft pick formula, it's very smart. They traded a 3rd round compensatory pick to SF for Trent Brown and a 5th round pick. Because they traded for Brown, as opposed to signing another OT in free agency to replace Solder, it doesn't get factored into the compensatory draft pick formula for Solder, in addition to the compensatory pick they will get for Brown. Basically they were able to rent Brown for a year, let him walk in free agency and get back the 3rd round compensatory pick they traded for him in the first place.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by d_phaneuf

Raiders adding the best tackle in FA trent brown, that's a great move, improves two positions cause kolton miller moves over to RT

Yeah but Tom Cable.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Yes that's also a big part of why guys floundering outside New England. They usually go from elite coaching to not so much.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Yes that's also a big part of why guys floundering outside New England. They usually go from elite coaching to not so much.

Tom Cable is a notch below "not so much". He's arguably the worst OL coach in professional football.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I know, and how he stays employed is truly amazing. Maybe he beats the crap out of Gruden every time he tries to fire him.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Well this contract is crazy. Kwon is a very good player when healthy, but even when healthy not worth $13.5 million per. And coming off a torn ACL...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1105165281310269440

[devo22]

some teams just never learn.

[Erick Estrada]

This is the silly season of the NFL. Over half of the players signed this week will likely be released next offseason. This is the way it's going to be as long as most GM's and head coaches lack job security.