[Rumour] TSN: Flames will inquire about re-acquiring Ferland

[Scroopy Noopers]

I’m for bringing Ferland back, but would much rather that happen in July.

The price on the trade is too much.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Groot

I could maybe see the argument that Monahan's injuries started to get so bad that it affected the output of his linemates in the final stretch, maybe, but Monahan was shut down with 7 games to go in the season on March 23. That shows that Ferland was entirely ineffective for 16 games in the back half of the season before Monahan was shut down. It also might show that Ferland needs high-skill teammates to be effective (when he's on) and he is not getting that in Calgary as a depth signing.

Monahan was shut down with eight games to go, but more to the point while I tend to agree with you about Ferland, it cannot be understated how important Monahan is to the success of his line mates. His absence was not the only problem, but it sure as hell is something that effected Ferland's production.

[OldDutch]

I loved the guy and his victory over his personal demons. Yet I don't want him back. Burke's comments are in line with what I felt about him. He is a elite player in spurts when motivated, and is prone to checking out.

It would cost too much, be a massive risk that he would stay motivated, and possibly hinder the team dynamics (having a guy checked out and no one can get through would be a distraction for sure).

I hope he cashes in a massive contract and is set for life, but somewhere else. Just not worth the risk given where we are.

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

If anyone has any evidence that the presence of Micheal Ferland prevented a single slash to Johnny Gaudreau's hands in the last five years, I would like to see it.

I agree completely. Count me in the group that never wants to see ferland back here.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fire

Trading for Ferland makes little sense unless it's for something like a 3rd round draft pick. With his injury concerns, it feels like a 50/50 chance he would even be healthy come playoff time. Can't give up significant assets for a guy that might not play. Maybe you could put that in the deal. If Ferland plays at least 10 playoff games the 3rd rounder turns into a 1st rounder.

I agree 100 percent. If we can have a condition that the 3rd round pick becomes a first if the Flames make it to final or if Ferland re-signs in Calgary. I don't see him signing here next year regardless, and really don't want him at 5 million anyways.

With that said, I don't think a 3rd round pick with that condition is going to be enough to get the deal done, Canes would ask for more. Maybe I would consider adding a lower end prospect to the 3rd rounder.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Monahan was shut down with eight games to go, but more to the point while I tend to agree with you about Ferland, it cannot be understated how important Monahan is to the success of his line mates. His absence was not the only problem, but it sure as hell is something that effected Ferland's production.

The problem with ferland was effort, not results.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

The problem with ferland was effort, not results.

True enough, but results go a long way.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I’m for bringing Ferland back, but would much rather that happen in July.

The price on the trade is too much.

I'd much rather rent Ferland - someone is going to pay him July 1, and they're never going to be happy they did.

[Street Pharmacist]

Ferland is a great complimentary player on a good line. He's not useful on a line without a driver. We're all full up on those, and I'm not sure he would be worth what it would cost for a rental, and at his age with his type of play, he's Lucic in about 2-3 years with likely a 5 year contract.

Love the guy, love the story, loved him as a Flame, but no thanks

[Otto-matic]

I posted my feelings on Ferland before but I want no part of him.

I like the way our team is now and I think he won't add much to the 4th line over say Hath/Eatbread.

[Makarov]

The optics for Carolina of trading Ferland back to the Flames at the deadline would be so terrible that I just cannot see it happening.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

True enough, but results go a long way.

I mean, sure.

But what this conversation is about is the former president of hockey ops saying publicly that the guy checked out on his team last year and they couldn't find a way to reach him. He's intimating that is one of the reasons he was dealt in the first place.

You're sorta the only one talking about results here.

[transplant99]

I think Burkes comments this morning cements the idea of MF coming back, a non-starter.

Even if he did though...where was he going to play?

I mean his only real success here was with JG and SM, and he sure as hell isn't getting that spot.

So you drop him to play with MT and MB? Then you have to remember that although he is OK defensively, he sure isn't a guy that would normally be seen as a shut down type which, on that line, you have to have.

IMO, and more than acquisition costs etc, he simply doesn't fill a slot on this club.

I would love his size and miserableness moving forward for sure but again im not sure you can find a spot for him to maximize what he brings without screwing up every other part of the forward ranks as constructed. That simply is not worth it.

[Rollin22x]

Are the Hurricanes phoning Burke and asking to keep his opinions to himself at least before the trade deadline so he doesn't affect a potential trade?
He kind of knocked Ferland's value down a few notches. Ferland may have turned a corner in Carolina.
Didn't everyone tune out Gully to some degree?

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I think Burkes comments this morning cements the idea of MF coming back, a non-starter.

Even if he did though...where was he going to play?

I mean his only real success here was with JG and SM, and he sure as hell isn't getting that spot.

So you drop him to play with MT and MB? Then you have to remember that although he is OK defensively, he sure isn't a guy that would normally be seen as a shut down type which, on that line, you have to have.

IMO, and more than acquisition costs etc, he simply doesn't fill a slot on this club.

I would love his size and miserableness moving forward for sure but again im not sure you can find a spot for him to maximize what he brings without screwing up every other part of the forward ranks as constructed. That simply is not worth it.

The only place I see he has a spot on is the 4th line taking out Eatbread.

No way you're going to bump down Neal to the 4th line. Benny is playing well on the 3rd so I don't see why we would remove him from that.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

The only place I see he has a spot on is the 4th line taking out Eatbread.

No way you're going to bump down Neal to the 4th line. Benny is playing well on the 3rd so I don't see why we would remove him from that.

Exactly.

And that is a spot that would completely under-utilize his strengths as well as his cost to acquire.

We are still a month away from the TDL, and things could change in a big way by then, but as it sits now, there really is no spot for him on this team...anywhere.

[mrdonkey]

Where does Ferland realistically fit in this lineup? The top line and 3M line have been getting it done. Say what you want about Frolik but he does have chemistry on that second line and provides a ton of hard defensive minutes that I would never trust Ferland and his roller coaster of efforts to match.

Maybe he pushes Bennett off the third line? Not a luxury I’d be willing to give up a 1st or a good prospect to have, especially since that 3rd line has started to show signs of life since Neal woke up. I have a hard time finding a place for Ferland apart from taking Mangiapane/Dube’s spot.

[868904]

In light of Burke's comments, I guess this is just Tre driving up the price to his rivals again?

Love Ferly, but the one thing that I didn't like was that he didn't show up or wasn't engaged against the big teams.

He was invisible against the Oilers and was nowhere to be found when Kassian and Lucic were running around.

Against the Ducks, he fought Bieksa (who is smaller) regularly but wasn't there to stand up to Manson or Ritchie.

I don't question his toughness because i've seen his junior fights and I think he could take all of those bigger guys on, but he never did. Bieksa was the toughest guy he ever fought and he had a little bit of a size advantage on him.

I think this is where the Flames brass's issue with Ferly was. He simply wasn't there when they needed him (ie., against the Oilers).

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Rollin22x

Are the Hurricanes phoning Burke and asking to keep his opinions to himself at least before the trade deadline so he doesn't affect a potential trade?
He kind of knocked Ferland's value down a few notches. Ferland may have turned a corner in Carolina.
Didn't everyone tune out Gully to some degree?

Burke is paid for his opinion, don't think he cares what the Canes think

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Burke is paid for his opinion, don't think he cares what the Canes think

Yes, and I don't think the rest of the GM's in the league are basing Ferland's value on what Burke says either. Just a broadcast guy now (decent one though).