WCQF: San Jose Sharks (P2) vs Vegas Golden Knights (P3) — SHARKS WIN SERIES 4-3

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Itse

Again, it was the right call by the book.

There was a crosscheck and an injury. That's an automatic major. The rule does not specify that the injury has to be caused by the stick.

Sure you can argue something about the spirit of the rule if you like, but people calling it a bogus call are reeaaally stretching their argument.

Sometimes I feel like people just assume every call has to be wrong if they don't immediately get it, and the hyperbole is tiresome honestly. Yes NHL reffing sucks, but that call is not en example of it sucking.

It's also annoying that it's become all people talk about, when it was a great game with a great ending.

everyone on the panel, except for Ron of course, said it was a bad call...

this isn't just VKG fans saying this...a lot of media and ex players are saying this too...

steinberg is saying this morning...

its a bad call

people here would have lost their minds if Calgary was in VGK's position and got screwed like that.

[Flames0910]

I totally agree. Crosscheck all you want...sometimes the refs will let it go if it doesn't impact the game too much...sometimes you will get 2 minutes...but in the event that you cross-check a guy and it results in a serious injury no matter how routine the cross-check was and it effects the game (team leading scorer and captain out of the game), then 5 minute major is warranted. I don't see the problem, but i get it that some do.

This is exactly the problem people have with NHL officiating though. Depending on circumstance, the same play gets called differently. Call the crosscheck consistently, or rewrite the rule.

[Ashasx]

If the game is tied or within 1, that call isn't made. It's as simple as that and that's why I'm losing interest in this league.

With that said, I'm glad the Knights lost. Those bandwagon fans have had enough success for their first two seasons.

[East Coast Flame]

The refs saw a guy laying on the ice bleeding from the head, so they panicked and made a terrible call that cost Vegas the series. Absolutely brutal.

You can thank this mistake for bringing in more video review next year. What a joke.

[VladtheImpaler]

Yeah, that is not even a penalty normally, let alone in the playoffs. Tough break for Pavelski, but it was basically an accident.

[Saqe]

It's a tough call because two different plays by two Vegas players caused it. On their own neither play deserved anything more but a two minute penalty max. But together those two plays (crosscheck + tackle) resulted in Pavelski hitting the ice defenseless and head first.



It's a case where you can't assign blame to one individual but the result was brutal and imo had to be punished.

[CroFlames]

Instead of having a big fancy meeting every year in Florida to try and increase scoring to attract fair weather fans, moving the lines on the ice, making a dumbass trapezoid, adopting an NASL style shootout, having a broken points system, they should prioritize fixing the reffing.

There's no problem with letting a few more things go in the playoffs vs reg season, but just keep it consistent. Fantenberg hook on MacKinnon? Gimme a break.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

You can thank this mistake for bringing in more video review next year. What a joke.

Nah, because there are still three rounds left. Somewhere in those three rounds, a crucial last minute goal or an overtime winner will go to video review for offside or goalie interference, and it will suck all the life out of the game, the goal will be disallowed, and the whole thing will be ruined, exactly the way that Women's gold medal game was recently. There will then be cries from all corners to reduce the scope of video review. So I think it'll get darker before it gets better.

[Flash Walken]

Penalizing the result and not the action is basically everything that is wrong with NHL officiating.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Penalizing the result and not the action is basically everything that is wrong with NHL officiating.

It's still a crosscheck and interference on Pavelski. It's not only the result.



Either way Vegas had three games to end the series and didn't get it done.

[Eubee]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

That is pretty much the definition of a bad call.

No call was made at the time it happened. They got together and decided on a 5 minute major after the play was over based on what Pavelski looked like on the ice. There was no call made on the ice at the time of the play.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Penalizing the result and not the action is basically everything that is wrong with NHL officiating.

Agreed completely.

The rule:
59.3 Major Penalty - A major penalty, at the discretion of the Referee
based on the severity of the contact, shall be imposed on a player
who “cross checks” an opponent (see 59.5).

The bolded is what bothers me, the severity of the crosscheck itself was not BAD or MALICIOUS at all. You see worse in front of the net when a D-man tries to clear the crease out just about every play.

Its unfortunate that he got injured, but it wasn't because he was crosschecked in the face like they claimed. You can argue VGK didnt have to allow 4 PP goals, but the problem still remains it should have NEVER happened in the first place. 2 minutes maybe, 4 minutes because of blood at the ABSOLUTE most but 5 major is ridiculous. The league should punish those officials.

This is worse than the phantom "hook/slash" (cant remember) on Fantenburg against CGY resulting in the 5 on 3 which stole the momentum from us.

They need to fix the consistency, the accountability and the integrity of refereeing the NHL. You cant put away the whistles in the playoffs, it changes the dynamic of the game between regular season and playoffs.

The Avalanche Defensive depth is atrocious, but they were allowed to play the old school slash, hook, clutch and grab etc and captalized on that because they weren't being called. The Flames defesnsemen (shame on us) did NOT and were called more when they did. Ian Cole looked like the 2nd coming of Chris Pronger out there.

Hold these idiots accountable, fix this before they dictate another game/series/heaven forbid a Stanley cup outcome.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Saqe

It's still a crosscheck and interference on Pavelski. It's not only the result.



Either way Vegas had three games to end the series and didn't get it done.

Except for game 7.

That game was over and done until the call was made.

Its a huge problem moving forward for the league and anyone that thinks this wont lead to video reviews on major calls needs to re-think it IMO, cause thats the kind of thing every single GM knows they could be victim of. Nothing wrong with getting it right...and there is zero chance had that gone to replay last night it would have been ruled a 2 minute x-check (and thats a bit of a reach) and that game is completely, and totally, different.

No they should not have allowed 4 goals on the penalty, but even moreso they should never have been in the position to have to do so.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Except for game 7.

That game was over and done until the call was made.

Its a huge problem moving forward for the league and anyone that thinks this wont lead to video reviews on major calls needs to re-think it IMO, cause thats the kind of thing every single GM knows they could be victim of. Nothing wrong with getting it right...and there is zero chance had that gone to replay last night it would have been ruled a 2 minute x-check (and thats a bit of a reach) and that game is completely, and totally, different.

No they should not have allowed 4 goals on the penalty, but even moreso they should never have been in the position to have to do so.

Well they still had a chance to win it in overtime after tying it up.



I don't like the call and don't frankly know what the call should've been but at the end of the day there has always been missed calls in hockey. Not sure adding more reviews is the right solution.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Eubee

No call was made at the time it happened. They got together and decided on a 5 minute major after the play was over based on what Pavelski looked like on the ice. There was no call made on the ice at the time of the play.

Ok? What are you arguing here? I'm well aware that the officials had a couple huddles to come up with a bad call.

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Let's be honest, if San Jose scores one or zero goals on that PP, nobody is even talking about if it was a right call or not. It's because the result was so outlandish that people are over analyzing. Vegas can blame their PK for the loss, not the refs.

I'm not sure I agree. We've been talking about bad calls in all the first round series, even if they aren't the game deciding ones. The game deciding ones obviously get more attention. Even if the Sharks didn't score 4 goals, it still could have completely changed the game, which is why it isn't a good look.

Let's say the Sharks score 2 in the major, which is completely reasonable. They're now pushing for the tying goal and get it in dramatic fashion in the dying minutes to sent the game to OT. They win in OT and we're still talking about the call anyways today.

[pepper24]

Bad call and should have only been a 2 min penalty. Fault though is on Vegas for being up 3-0 when it happened and then allowing 4 goals on the PK. If they hold them to only 1 or 2 goals they win the series. Instead they implode and PK is terrible.

This on Vegas more than the refs. Nice to see them tie it up late and get it to overtime but capable penalty killing and they win in regulation.

[Travis Munroe]

Only the oilers deserve to have a play like that called against them.

As awful of a call as it was and by awful, I am thinking top 3 worst calls all season, the Knights still had every opportunity to still win that game. The goals were not completely given to the sharks.

[calumniate]

It was almost like it should have been 2 mins cross-check, and 2 mins tripping to Paul

[dino7c]

The call was bad...seems like a honest mistake though. #### happens. Vegas needs to look themselves in the mirror. They tied the NHL record for allowing goals on a major. Hold them to two goals and you are golden.

Worst PK of all time isn't all on the refs