Why does Colorado take the tie break with Arizona - Page 2 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Jiggy_12 · 03-22-2019, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Completely different game.

They beat the hell out of each other for an extra game and then are expected to take on the #1 seed? It’s a ridiculous idea.

They're beating the hell out of each other for the final 20 games of the season regardless.

JackIsBack · 03-22-2019, 09:53 AM

FYI: I didn't apply the tie-breaker rules between W2 and 9th place

Scroopy Noopers · 03-22-2019, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

They're beating the hell out of each other for the final 20 games of the season regardless.

Regular season games look nothing like playoff games.

But then you’re adding an additional playoff game for the last seed

Jiggy_12 · 03-22-2019, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Regular season games look nothing like playoff games.

But then you’re adding an additional playoff game for the last seed

No doubt.

It would make it a lot harder for those bubble teams to advance past the 1st round, and offer an additional advantage for the #1 seed.

I don't know if I see those as problems though.

Without looking at past season finishes, my guess is this would only be a 1 in 5 year type of scenario anyways.

Jordan! · 03-22-2019, 10:52 AM

Chicago’s going to take the spot any damn way

Then probably win the cup because #$%^ sports

agulati · 03-22-2019, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow

Chicago’s going to take the spot any damn way

Then probably win the cup because #$%^ sports

I hope the Coyotes do make it. All the other teams currently fighting for a playoff spot don't deserve to be in the post-season after the season they have had. It has been sad and pathetic unfortunately.

The only team that has actually tried has been Arizona. With all their injury issues, lack of scoring and limited support/fan-base, it has been commendable the season they have had. (Also probably one of the easier match-ups for Calgary)

Geeoff · 03-22-2019, 11:10 AM

IMO head to head match-up is a great tiebreaker, considering the playoffs are 100% head-to-head match-ups.

You Need a Thneed · 03-22-2019, 01:10 PM

I believe there was a scenario last year where a tie breaking game could have been played, as all tiebreakers could have been tied, had a couple of games had specific scores.

dissentowner · 03-22-2019, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

So you would go straight 1-16 - no conferences or divisions?

Going by conference is the big difference this year - Philly and Columbus (even Florida is tied) are both out of the playoffs now and ahead of Colorado/Arizona.

1-16 would add Columbus to the playoffs and eliminate Colorado right now

The division difference requires a division to really tank (like the Pacific did the year the Flames played the Canucks in round 1) so its rarer than the conferences causing the issue.

No, I would go 1-8 like it used to be. The top 8 teams in each Conference point wise get in.Divisions don't matter and they shouldn't.

Scroopy Noopers · 03-22-2019, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dissentowner

No, I would go 1-8 like it used to be. The top 8 teams in each Conference point wise get in.Divisions don't matter and they shouldn't.

Divisions did matter though. That’s how 1-3 were chosen.

Barnet Flame · 03-22-2019, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

This.

If the tie determines the difference between a team making the playoffs and not making it, I believe there's a good enough justification there for a play-in game.

It's one area the MLB actually gets right, and I'd like to see the NHL figure it out too.

How do they decide where to play the game?

Resolute 14 · 03-22-2019, 02:50 PM

Because a shootout win isn't a real win, and should not be treated as such.

Jiggy_12 · 03-22-2019, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

How do they decide where to play the game?

If they chose to adopt a play-in game in the event of the last WC spot ending in a tie, I'd personally use Goals for/goals against differential as the decider on where the game is played.

You could also use ROW, as in my ideal system that wouldn't be factored in to begin with if we're talking about a tiebreaker scenario for the last playoff spot.

PeteMoss · 03-22-2019, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dissentowner

No, I would go 1-8 like it used to be. The top 8 teams in each Conference point wise get in.Divisions don't matter and they shouldn't.

I don't get your point then.

Since the wild card was implemented there hasn't been one team that's been screwed out of a playoff spot because of the division they are in.

You do have teams in the East missing the playoffs with more points than the team's in the West who make the playoffs.

I wonder if this is a generational thing and people like whatever it was they grew up with best.

Spinach · 03-22-2019, 03:39 PM

The season series taking precedence over the shootout sounds good despite Kevin Quinn's ludicrous crowing about the brooms being out when the Oilers swept the 2-game series against the fierce rival Blue Jackets.

N-E-B · 03-22-2019, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Because a shootout win isn't a real win, and should not be treated as such.

I get that they’re gimmicky and I’d love to see them go away in favour of unlimited 3-on-3, but at the same time I HATE that the NHL devalues wins of any kind. A win is a win in my books, regardless of how you won.

dissentowner · 03-22-2019, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

I don't get your point then.

Since the wild card was implemented there hasn't been one team that's been screwed out of a playoff spot because of the division they are in.

You do have teams in the East missing the playoffs with more points than the team's in the West who make the playoffs.

I wonder if this is a generational thing and people like whatever it was they grew up with best.

Because it can happen. Imagine if Flames missed out on the playoffs but had more points than the third place team in the Central. You are cool with that happening?

Scroopy Noopers · 03-22-2019, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Because it can happen. Imagine if Flames missed out on the playoffs but had more points than the third place team in the Central. You are cool with that happening?

No but that sounds highly improbable. That’s why teams play more games against their own division. So that has little chance of happening.

dissentowner · 03-22-2019, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

No but that sounds highly improbable. That’s why teams play more games against their own division. So that has little chance of happening.

I actually think it has in the East before. Let me look into that. If it didn't I know for sure it was damn close one year. It actually is not that improbable.

dissentowner · 03-22-2019, 05:25 PM

It hasn't happened yet but this is a good article on the problems with the current format.

https://lastwordonhockey.com/2019/02...layoff-format/