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Old 12-22-2022, 11:22 AM   #501
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I was wondering the same. I mean this thread was started 12 years ago. Lots has changed. Will drones replace manned jets? And, if so, why move forward with what may be obsolete in short order?
Going to be a long time before that happens, we'll see stuff like a drone as a wingman for a real pilot before we see them replaced entirely. Decades away still

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Well after this Russian war it would be kind of foolish to spend alot on tanks and jets.
All the Russian war has shown is how ineffective those things are when you aren't using them properly. Using tanks independently and not surpressing enemy air defence are vastly different than the way NATO would operate
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Old 12-22-2022, 11:26 AM   #502
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Going to be a long time before that happens, we'll see stuff like a drone as a wingman for a real pilot before we see them replaced entirely. Decades away still



All the Russian war has shown is how ineffective those things are when you aren't using them properly. Using tanks independently and not surpressing enemy air defence are vastly different than the way NATO would operate
Well odds are that if we actually had to goto war it would be against Russia and not Nato.
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Old 12-22-2022, 11:53 AM   #503
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Well odds are that if we actually had to goto war it would be against Russia and not Nato.
Okay, but what I'm saying is it's hard to make a note on the effectiveness of a tank or a jet based on this war, because the Russians use them completely ass backward compared to how we would.
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Old 12-22-2022, 12:38 PM   #504
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Well odds are that if we actually had to goto war it would be against Russia and not Nato.
Which means that what we should do is pretend to invest $7B in Jets and really...just pump that money into our health care system.

Because you dont need Jets against people who are throwing rocks.
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Old 12-22-2022, 06:18 PM   #505
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I was wondering the same. I mean this thread was started 12 years ago. Lots has changed. Will drones replace manned jets? And, if so, why move forward with what may be obsolete in short order?
The B-21 Raider which is being rated as a 6th generation bomber is supposedly able to operate as a piloted craft or a autonomous piloted craft.

Having a programmed drone replace a pilot is probably a generation away. However the F-35 has a future state in terms of the Loyal Wingman program where the F-35 can launch and control drones.

https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/3...drone-for-f-35

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Lockheed Martin reveals more details about the Speed Racer: a project to create a multirole drone tailor-made to accompany the F-35 Lightning II fighter jet.

The drone, first announced in 2021, is going to be air-launched and modular, performing the roles of reconnaissance and electronic warfare platform, or acting as a decoy depending on the mission.


Developed under Project Carrera, it is intended to finish development faster and enter service sooner than other comparable aircraft.

A video by Lockheed Martin, posted on September 15, 2022, portrays what appears to be a preliminary design of the drone, complete with foldable wings and stealth coating
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...d-f-35s-169090
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Old 01-11-2023, 09:36 AM   #506
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The deal to purchase 88 F35’s has been finalized.

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Canada has signed off on the final contract to buy F-35 jet fighters to replace the air force's aging CF-18s, Defence Minister Anita Anand said Monday.

The final agreement for 88 warplanes — involving the Canadian and U.S. governments and the jet's manufacturer — won't see its first delivery until 2026 and the first F-35 squadrons will not be operational until 2029, senior defence officials said during a technical briefing before the minister's announcement.

The project's budget of $19 billion remains the same as originally forecast by the Liberal government when it signalled the purchase last year. Anand and other government officials are sticking to that projection despite the likely effect of inflation — which has caused budgets for other major programs to rise dramatically.
Some details on the specifics that are known about the planes Canada is purchasing, and some still open questions:

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...s-aging-cf-18s

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Other key details have also emerged in the wake of the announcement. Canada’s CBC reports that a senior Canadian defense official confirmed on January 9 that Lockheed Martin’s latest Lot 18, Block 4 F-35As will be delivered as part of the package, which feature a wide-range of improved technologies and weaponry. An infographic Tweeted by the RCAF also noted the claimed advantages of Canada's future fighter. This includes:

- A flight range greater than approximately 1,367 miles (2,200 km), with the ability to fly non-stop between Cold Lake, Alberta to Inuvik, in Canada’s North Western Territories.

- A drag chute used to slow the aircraft down in icy conditions. These are currently only in use on Norweigan F-35s, and are a particular feature of aircraft used in arctic conditions.

- A 'sidekick' devise, allowing for 6 AIM-120 missiles to be carried internally instead of 4.

- A payload greater than 17,989.72 lbs. (8,160 kgs) of ordnance combining internal and external weapons stations

In official renderings of Canada's F-35 variant, we see a standard F-35A boom refueling receptacle on the jet. This could just be a mistake or it could indicate the jets will require a boom-equipped tanker. Currently only the F-35B and C have probes to make them compatible with hose-and-drogue tankers. There is also the possibility that Canada's F-35As could be the first of the conventional takeoff and landing (CTOL) A variant to receive refueling probes which, as we explained previously, would comprise a special configuration. This would allow the RCAF's fleet of F-35As to refuel from the service's future tanker selection, the Airbus A330-based Multi Role Tanker Transport, which is currently not disclosed as being configured with a boom. The current Polaris tankers and C-130s do not have booms either. Canada's CF-18 Hornets use the hose and drogue system. It's possible that Canada's future MRTTs will receive booms, which offer fuel flow and connecting advantages over the hose and drogue, as part of the F-35 selection, but at this stage, we simply do not know for sure if this will be the case. A boom equipped MRTT would also offer far better interoperability with U.S. and other NATO aircraft. Alternatively, the F-35s could be built with both a probe and a receptacle for fully flexible operations.



Ultimately, the Liberal government drags their feet and acquires more airframes of a significantly better plane (Block 4 vs Block 1 F35) at a better price.
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