Safe Injection Sites approved for edm, Cgy announcement tba

[PepsiFree]

Not sure why that would even surprise anyone tbh. Increased density of drug users = more drug related crimes in the area and more nimby-types calling the police to report “suspicious characters” and “unwanted guests.”

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Not sure why that would even surprise anyone tbh. Increased density of drug users = more drug related crimes in the area and more nimby-types calling the police to report “suspicious characters” and “unwanted guests.”

You put those in quotes as if drug addicts aren't those things. They are. If they weren't we probably wouldn't have a problem with drug addicts.

Drug addicts lie, cheat and steal and live high risk lifestyles that can include violent crimes.

We can debate about how we, as a society, want to deal with these folks but to pretend they aren't unsavory characters is disingenuous.

[monkeyman]

so selfish of the NIMBY crowd to not want infected needles, increased violence, crime, drugs, drug use, drug dealers, and vagrancy, in their back yards(literally sometimes).

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Ped

So, St. Catharines in Ontario has about 130,000+ residents.


They have a needle exchange program and have about 4000 people using it. I don't know know the stats for whether that's per week or month or what, but they claim to receive 80 percent of the needles back.


On 4000 clients, that's still 800 needles per cycle that are not being returned. There's a resident who's been cleaning up the downtown of needles and it's stated that he picked up 800 in one week.


Completely insane.


https://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/...opioid-crisis/

pay 10 cents a needle, like a pop can, problem solved for a few thousand bucks at most

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

You put those in quotes as if drug addicts aren't those things. They are. If they weren't we probably wouldn't have a problem with drug addicts.

Drug addicts lie, cheat and steal and live high risk lifestyles that can include violent crimes.

We can debate about how we, as a society, want to deal with these folks but to pretend they aren't unsavory characters is disingenuous.

...uh, I put those in quotes because I was attempting to quote the wording of the actual article:

Unwanted guests, suspicious persons and checks on welfare were the most frequent types of calls.

I think my brain just thought characters sounded better than persons. But sure, disingenuous whatever whatever.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Drug addicts lie, cheat and steal and live high risk lifestyles that can include violent crimes.

Not necessarily true. You are assuming everyone spirals into that sort of life if they are addicted to drugs. Drug addicts exist from all walks of life, right from pre-pubescent teenagers in school, to white collar executives running big companies, to unassuming geriatric retirees trying to manage the pain in their knees. Many of them don't even know it yet, but you wouldn't be able to tell on the surface just by looking at them. They can be very normal people.

Not all drug addicts are criminals. You are making a large generalization about them.

[Ashasx]

Not all drug addicts are criminals, but to act like they are not more predisposed to criminal activity is a weird position to take.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Not all drug addicts are criminals, but to act like they are not more predisposed to criminal activity is a weird position to take.

Yeah I know when my grandma got addicted to opioids she started hitting banks like crazy.

[Ashasx]

ok

[PepsiFree]

okay

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Not all drug addicts are criminals, but to act like they are not more predisposed to criminal activity is a weird position to take.

To say every drug addict is a criminal is weird position to take.

[Ashasx]

No person would reasonably take corporatejay's statement to mean "all X do X". It's a generalization, and a correct one.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

No person would reasonably take corporatejay's statement to mean "all X do X". It's a generalization, and a correct one.

No reasonable person would take Ozy’s statement “not all drug addicts are criminals” as “drug addicts are not predisposed to crime” and yet, here we are.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

No reasonable person would take Ozy’s statement “not all drug addicts are criminals” as “drug addicts are not predisposed to crime” and yet, here we are.

You guys aren't looking to have an actual discussion here. You are trying to make other posters look bad or ignorant.

I wouldn't have to interpret Ozy's statement as I did if he didn't incorrectly interpret a one line statement that corporatejay was making.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

You guys aren't looking to have an actual discussion here. You are trying to make other posters look bad or ignorant.

I wouldn't have to interpret Ozy's statement as I did if he didn't incorrectly interpret a one line statement that corporatejay was making.

"Drug addicts lie, cheat and steal and live high risk lifestyles that can include violent crimes. We can debate about how we, as a society, want to deal with these folks but to pretend they aren't unsavory characters is disingenuous."

Seems to me like that statement was pretty generalized. Wouldn't you agree?

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Not necessarily true. You are assuming everyone spirals into that sort of life if they are addicted to drugs. Drug addicts exist from all walks of life, right from pre-pubescent teenagers in school, to white collar executives running big companies, to unassuming geriatric retirees trying to manage the pain in their knees. Many of them don't even know it yet, but you wouldn't be able to tell on the surface just by looking at them. They can be very normal people.

Not all drug addicts are criminals. You are making a large generalization about them.

Fair. I was picturing folks who would use this facility. I did over generalize.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

You guys aren't looking to have an actual discussion here. You are trying to make other posters look bad or ignorant.

I wouldn't have to interpret Ozy's statement as I did if he didn't incorrectly interpret a one line statement that corporatejay was making.

Weird position to take. He probably wouldn’t have had to interpret corporatejay’s statement if corporatejay hadn’t incorrectly interpreted my use of quotations.

Again, but here we are. Any looking bad is entirely on yourself, I don’t really care how you look.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Fair. I was picturing folks who would use this facility. I did over generalize.

I appreciate you making the clarification, corporatejay. A classy response!

I have worked with a couple people in my life in a corporate setting with drug issues and if I didn't know them as friends on a personal level (after a few years working together) I would never have known it was an issue.

Yes, I do agree there is a high link between drug addiction and increased propensity to commit crimes (violent or otherwise).

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

pay 10 cents a needle, like a pop can, problem solved for a few thousand bucks at most

The injection site gives out needles for free as many as people want as part of their mandate for harm reduction.

[Weitz]

Which sort of people are attracted to a safe injection site? I’m going to guess it’s not your white collar type.