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Old 05-17-2019, 06:29 PM   #441
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People will move on as long as another incident doesn't arrive. Another MAX 8 crash within the next few years, even without plane fault may make the public very leary.
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Old 06-26-2019, 07:29 PM   #442
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Apparently new flaw discovered. FAA delays flight certification test indefinetly.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/26/polit...law/index.html

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A new flaw has been discovered in the computer system for the Boeing 737 Max that could push the plane downward, according to two sources familiar with the testing, an issue that is expected to further delay the aircraft's return to service.

A series of simulator flights to test new software developed by Boeing revealed the flaw, according to one of the sources.
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Boeing said that the Federal Aviation Administration "identified an additional requirement that it has asked the company to address through the software changes that the company has been developing for the past eight months."

"Boeing agrees with the FAA's decision and request, and is working on the required software," the company said, adding that "Boeing will not offer the 737 MAX for certification by the FAA until we have satisfied all requirements for certification of the MAX and its safe return to service."

The sources say Boeing engineers are trying to determine if the microprocessor issue can be fixed by reprogramming software or if replacing the physical microprocessors on each 737 Max aircraft may be required.

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Old 12-17-2019, 10:29 AM   #443
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Lots of recent developments with the Boeing 737 Max 8.

Boeing halting production of the 737 Max after re-certification is indefinitely delayed.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/16/busin...ion/index.html

Boeing has been pressuring the FAA to skip steps to get the Boeing 737 Max back in the air

https://www.businessinsider.com/boei...to-fly-2019-11

https://www.npr.org/2019/12/12/78764...ets-to-service

FAA is not without impunity, as it was found that the FAA's own report estimated 15 more fatal crashes with the faulty software if left unchecked. This was known before the 2nd crash. The FAA decided to sit on the report rather than action.

https://www.businessinsider.com/boei...-shows-2019-12

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Internal calculations made by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) in the wake of the first fatal crash by Boeing's 737 Max predicted that the plane could crash a total of 15 times over its lifespan.
https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...M-for-MAX.html

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Old 12-17-2019, 01:43 PM   #444
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Internal calculations made by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) in the wake of the first fatal crash by Boeing's 737 Max predicted that the plane could crash a total of 15 times over its lifespan.
The FAA are really going out on a limb here

737 100-200 crashed 53 times
737 300 crashed 34 times
737 next gen crashed 24 times

Over it's lifespan Boing would probably sell over 10,000 max 8's, 15 crashes would be considered very safe
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Old 12-17-2019, 02:59 PM   #445
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The FAA are really going out on a limb here

737 100-200 crashed 53 times
737 300 crashed 34 times
737 next gen crashed 24 times

Over it's lifespan Boing would probably sell over 10,000 max 8's, 15 crashes would be considered very safe
Were all those crashes caused by the same flaw that was kept under wraps?

Isn’t that the main problem here?
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Old 12-17-2019, 06:00 PM   #446
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The FAA are really going out on a limb here

737 100-200 crashed 53 times
737 300 crashed 34 times
737 next gen crashed 24 times

Over it's lifespan Boing would probably sell over 10,000 max 8's, 15 crashes would be considered very safe
15 crashes from one known and preventable cause wouldn't be very safe.

Although to be honest, I'm pretty sure no 737 Max will ever crash from that cause ever again. Every pilot will be well aware of how to do the override...
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Old 12-18-2019, 02:27 AM   #447
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Were all those crashes caused by the same flaw that was kept under wraps?

Isn’t that the main problem here?
Well, there were rumors they knew about the early rudder problems but who knows?, and as stated above I highly doubt another max would crash because of MCAS now that every pilot on the planet knows about it. I would have no problem flying on one now anywhere in the world.

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Although to be honest, I'm pretty sure no 737 Max will ever crash from that cause ever again. Every pilot will be well aware of how to do the override...
Exactly
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Old 12-18-2019, 09:58 AM   #448
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Were all those crashes caused by the same flaw that was kept under wraps?

Isn’t that the main problem here?
There was a rudder hardover issue with the 737-200 that carried over into the 300 series, so yes?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_rudder_issues
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Old 11-27-2020, 08:57 AM   #449
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So the Max has been cleared to return to service in the US by the FAA. The airlines are already prepping to bring it back with American likely being the first one, possibly in December. Southwest is looking to purchase 30 more of them from Boeing and Alaska just announced they are adding another 13 to replace the A320's they picked up in the Virgin merger. The airlines clearly feel the public will be okay flying again and I agree. Might be a good move by SW and Alaska long term if they can get them on the cheap. With airlines bleeding money right now the economics of the Max are pretty attractive to begin with. And with so many sitting around they can probably get them as soon as they want.
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Old 06-17-2021, 10:33 AM   #450
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Was reading yesterday that Boeing has sold almost all the >100 Max aircraft that had been built and then orders cancelled by the original purchaser. Southwest has ordered a bunch of new ones and United is rumored to be looking at about 100 new orders too. Ryanair with a potential large order too. AC, WestJet and Flair have all been flying theirs again as has American and Alaska. Boeing rumored to be looking at increasing the production rate at Renton plant too.

Doesn't seem to be much of a hangover.
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Old 06-19-2021, 04:57 AM   #451
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Nope, no hangover at all, despite being grounded Boing has had over 12000 orders since the groundings and even 9000 since the pandemic where hardly anyone was flying, and after these are delivered they're ready to manufacture the MAX 9's and 10's which already has over 700 orders.

Volkswagen paid 10x more for dieselgate than Boing did. they are bullet proof.
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Old 06-22-2021, 09:50 PM   #452
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All the people who thought they were speaking on behalf of all flyers when they said "I'm never getting on a MAX ever again and making sure none of my friends do either" didn't get very far. The best part is when somebody says oh I'm not flying x airline on this route cause they have a MAX, then they realize airlines y and z are also flying the MAX on the same route. X, Y, Z being AC, Flair and WestJet who are all committed to the jets going forward.
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