Are you suggesting that a GM would not pay more for a player who constantly ups his game in the playoffs, vs. A player with identical regular season stats but who disappears come playoff time.
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They might look at performances but they certainly don’t look at wins.
Are you suggesting that a GM would not pay more for a player who constantly ups his game in the playoffs, vs. A player with identical regular season stats but who disappears come playoff time.
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I don't know what a GM would or would not do; and neither is this necessarily what I would do if given the chance. However, I can only see what GMs have done in the past, and it sure looks like playoff performances don't count for a lot when it comes to setting a player's cap hit. I expect it could be a factor in creating a small increase in pay, but as far as I can tell it is not the basis for negotiating an NHL salary.
Am I wrong?
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Thing is as well, scoring wise, a player like Backlund is going to perform less in POs because their checking role gets heightened. Look at Stone as the POs have gone on. He’s scoring less but obviously his role hasn’t diminished.
Backlund’s PO sample sizes are also pretty tiny, but aside from his rookie year he’s slightly above .5 PPG, which is OK for a 2-3C.
In his first PO (sophomore season) Point got 16 points in 17 PO games. Great PO performer! In his second PO (after his career regular season) he got one point in 4 games and his team was swept in round one (got 5 minutes in penalties too). Crappy PO performer! In his third season he got 33 points in 23 games and won the cup. Great PO performer!!
They might look at performances but they certainly don’t look at wins.
You don't think that a player's value goes up after a SC win or at least a trip to the finals?
Why the eff do you think the Flames gave 31 year old James Neal a 5.75 x 5 contract. He was coming off a 44 pt -11 season. Had Vegas lost in round 1 there was no possible way any one gives Neal anything more than 3 m x 2
The preds gave him away for nothing in the expansion draft protecting Jarnkrok ahead of him.
The Flames didn't sign Brouwer for 4.5 x 4 as 31 year old for his 39 pts in the regular season. They signed him for his 8 goals in 20 playoff games.
That is just 2 close examples of the value given to solid playoff performances. You don't get a solid playoff performance unless you go at the very least 2 rounds. McDavid's 9 pts in 4 play-in games does not make him a great playoff performer.
PS. Lucic was not a 7x 6M regular season player when the Oilers signed him. The Oilers saw him as a great playoff player. It also showed in 2020 when he was a force for the Flames (in the playoffs)
You don't think that a player's value goes up after a SC win or at least a trip to the finals?
Why the eff do you think the Flames gave 31 year old James Neal a 5.75 x 5 contract. He was coming off a 44 pt -11 season. Had Vegas lost in round 1 there was no possible way any one gives Neal anything more than 3 m x 2
The preds gave him away for nothing in the expansion draft protecting Jarnkrok ahead of him.
The Flames didn't sign Brouwer for 4.5 x 4 as 31 year old for his 39 pts in the regular season. They signed him for his 8 goals in 20 playoff games.
That is just 2 close examples of the value given to solid playoff performances.
Why? Because of his track record of consistent 20 goals seasons and his size and his position. Brouwer was similar.
And yet you succeed in arguing against yourself - obviously if they signed them because of their PO record it was a huge mistake.
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Why? Because of his track record of consistent 20 goals seasons and his size and his position. Brouwer was similar.
And yet you succeed in arguing against yourself - obviously if they signed them because of their PO record it was a huge mistake.
The Flames pay for Play off prowess for their UFAs as they have no home grown players with the Royal playoff Jelly.... but they pay market value or more for the players that should be key playoff leaders --- Backlund, Gio Andersson, Lindholm, Hanifin, Tkachuk are getting paid the same or more as comparable players who have shown that they play well in the playoffs.
This leads back to my original point that the Flames are one of the worst franchises in the league over the time that they placed their bet on Backlund being a key ingredient on a winning team. This is even worse than their
#25 in Playoff wins #24 in playoff games played
#21 in regular season winning %
record indicates. The have been a team that has spent to the cap and not done any sort or rebuild over this time. Bennett and Kris Russell have been their big trading deadline sales.
So you are correct -- They have make big mistakes.
^^ 4/6 of your complained of players have been with the team for only a few years and are still under 25. Did the Flames pay them market value? Yup. In fact, bellow market in the case of Lindholm and Hanifin.
Tell me - is Edmonton overpaying Draisaitl? Is Fla overpaying Huberdeau? Is Toronto overpaying Matthews?
Putting a winning percentage requirement on a 2-3C is novel, but I suspect not very apt.
The Flames pay for Play off prowess for their UFAs as they have no home grown players with the Royal playoff Jelly.... but hey pay market value or more for the players that should be key playoff leaders --- Backlund, Gio Andersson, Lindholm, Hanifin, Tkachuk are getting paid the same or more as comparable players who have shown that they play well in the playoffs...
They are also getting paid the same or less than comparable players who have shown that they play poorly (or not at all) in the playoffs. This is why it is a dumb argument to complain about a player's cap hit while factoring into consideration nothing beyond his playoff results.
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