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Old 04-15-2020, 07:47 AM   #21
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Doesn't this just open the door for a country like China to step in and "save the WHO", and then exert even more influence? This seems like really bad policy.
Probably. But you are either credible or not credible. What this hopefully does instead is become a driving force to clean up the WHO, which is necessary. The WHO is vital, and must not pander to anyone.
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Yes sure - you can criticize them and they deserve criticism. But let's also be honest here - the only chance you ever had to contain this was with China. The WHO could have jumped up and raged but they don't have control over China's policies or anyone else's given they were recommended action well before 99% of countries did anything.
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It would have read pretty much the same if the virus had started in Kansas, this is an agency that relies on kissing its donor countries arses in order to keep several million people all over the third world alive through its various programs.

If it slagged off either China or the US those millions start to die of relatively preventable illnesses
Exactly this. How would Trump have reacted if this started in the US and WHO started going off on how terrible they were doing containing it. You need to play politics for these countries to let you into them.
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Probably. But you are either credible or not credible. What this hopefully does instead is become a driving force to clean up the WHO, which is necessary. The WHO is vital, and must not pander to anyone.
Unfortunately, when Trump gets involved in power plays and leaning on people or organizations, credibility is not the outcome. Trump's MO is to have everyone pander to him. He will only be interested in a WHO that works for his interests. In the meantime, the work the WHO does that actually helps people has suddenly lost a lot of funding and may not continue.
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Old 04-15-2020, 08:54 AM   #25
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Unfortunately, when Trump gets involved in power plays and leaning on people or organizations, credibility is not the outcome. Trump's MO is to have everyone pander to him. He will only be interested in a WHO that works for his interests. In the meantime, the work the WHO does that actually helps people has suddenly lost a lot of funding and may not continue.
If the world has turned into a place where we must pander to megalomaniacs to get something valuable done, I weep.
Which doesn't mean you aren't correct.
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Trumps histrionics aside, why is the US responsible for far more funding for the WHO than any other country in the world?

I would think it should be based on population, at least loosely.

Seems to be no rhyme or reason as to the formula other than maybe the G-7 pay, by far, most of the bill and the states the biggest, thus far, chunk of that. I mean...Canada has contributed more than Russia as an example.

https://www.who.int/about/finances-a...eport_2020.pdf

Clearly there will be some restructuring for this organization after this is all said and done.

Just another UN initiative that has been completely bungled?
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Old 04-15-2020, 09:22 AM   #27
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Trumps histrionics aside, why is the US responsible for far more funding for the WHO than any other country in the world?

I would think it should be based on population, at least loosely.

Seems to be no rhyme or reason as to the formula other than maybe the G-7 pay, by far, most of the bill and the states the biggest, thus far, chunk of that. I mean...Canada has contributed more than Russia as an example.

https://www.who.int/about/finances-a...eport_2020.pdf

Clearly there will be some restructuring for this organization after this is all said and done.

Just another UN initiative that has been completely bungled?
I would think it's at least partially the same reason that people with more money tend to spend more on insurance and security. They have more at risk and more ability to pay.
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No information out of China would have better than swallowing their lies in late January and sending it out to the world. And the best part is no sucking up to a one party dictatorship would've been necessary.
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Old 04-15-2020, 09:46 AM   #29
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https://apnews.com/68a9e1b91de4ffc166acd6012d82c2f9



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n the six days after top Chinese officials secretly determined they likely were facing a pandemic from a new coronavirus, the city of Wuhan at the epicenter of the disease hosted a mass banquet for tens of thousands of people; millions began traveling through for Lunar New Year celebrations.

President Xi Jinping warned the public on the seventh day, Jan. 20. But by that time, more than 3,000 people had been infected during almost a week of public silence, according to internal documents obtained by The Associated Press and expert estimates based on retrospective infection data.

Six days.
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This is the Trump MO. blow it up to deflect attention from his grifting. that and if it had anything to do with Obama. WHO, Iran, NAFTA, TPP etc etc.

A capable non corrupt administration would have went and talked to the WHO and voiced their concerns and work on fixing them. Possibly even put people like Fauci in charge of trying to fix it. This does not even cross the great negotiators mind.
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This is a good article. Basically, there are some contextual and systemic issues that affected reporting of what was going on, but they are all largely driven by fear of instability and panic in the public, so the government tried to get ducks in a row before making public announcements. They made some pretty important moves in those six days to prepare containment, but didn't make the info public. Arguably a mistake, but arguably understandable given the context of concern over public panic and the gravity of response needed in ultimately locking down hundreds of millions of people during the most important time of year for the public.

China's response had negative consequences, but wasn't a case of a government simply sweeping it under the rug and avoiding response. It's a case of a government trying to balance urgent response to a situation worthy of panic against a fear of the potential instability caused by panic and probably not wanting to face that possibility until they had to and were as prepared as they could be.
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If there's any doubt about where the WHO receives their marching orders:

https://twitter.com/HKWORLDCITY/stat...65641448169474
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If there's any doubt about where the WHO receives their marching orders:

https://twitter.com/HKWORLDCITY/stat...65641448169474
The UN doesn't recognize Taiwan. The WHO is a UN agency. Therefore the WHO does not recognize Taiwan.

That's the official line, anyway.
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If there's any doubt about where the WHO receives their marching orders:

https://twitter.com/HKWORLDCITY/stat...65641448169474
One of the most embarrassing displays I've ever seen in a public interview ever. If you don't want to answer the first question, which was somewhat political and above the purview of a WHO doctor since even the UN shamefully won't recognize Taiwan, then say I can't comment on that. Instead the guy went full clown, pretending not to hear the question, then saying that's ok lets skip that question despite claiming to not know what it was through not hearing it, then turning off his connection. For the second part, which was not political, he couldn't even bring himself to acknowledge the existence of Taiwan as at least a separate area that had handled the response orders of magnitude better than practically any other place in the world. How can the WHO call themselves protectors of world health or have any insight on what to do next when they pretend that the country that has handled this the best doesn't even exist. This guy is Canadian too, they wrote a glowing article on CBC about him in the early days talking about all he's doing the stop the outbreak, turns out he's Chinese lackey instead. Clown.
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The WHO is not a perfect organization. But defunding it (effectively withdrawing the USA) is not the right move.



In uncertain times, adding more uncertainty isn't the answer.



Look what happened when Japan withdrew from the League of Nations. (Lots of bad stuff)
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Trumps histrionics aside, why is the US responsible for far more funding for the WHO than any other country in the world?

I would think it should be based on population, at least loosely.

Seems to be no rhyme or reason as to the formula other than maybe the G-7 pay, by far, most of the bill and the states the biggest, thus far, chunk of that. I mean...Canada has contributed more than Russia as an example.

https://www.who.int/about/finances-a...eport_2020.pdf

Clearly there will be some restructuring for this organization after this is all said and done.

Just another UN initiative that has been completely bungled?
Because that is how the US buys influence, it's known as soft power, if the US doesn't spend the money then no one cares what they want or think, by defunding its minimal payments to organizations such as these, and all of the US's payments to the UN cost less than a single destroyer for the navy, then the US loses massive influence in the third world that costs it almost nothing.

This is just another gift to Putin, it chips away at the US position of world leader
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If the world has turned into a place where we must pander to megalomaniacs to get something valuable done, I weep.
Which doesn't mean you aren't correct.
The world has always been a place where we have to pander to megalomaniacs to get valuable things like the almost total eradication of polio done, and the WHO has pandered to the yanks just as much as the Chinese and the US has been equally megalomaniacal over the years, the only difference is we quite like what they represent, voting and capitalism etc.
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The UN doesn't recognize Taiwan. The WHO is a UN agency. Therefore the WHO does not recognize Taiwan.

That's the official line, anyway.
Which is exactly why both the WHO and the UN should fail to exist. You can't have an organization called the WHO who actively pretends that parts of the world doesn't exist. It removes the W in the WHO.

The WHO seriously undermined this pandemic simply by virtue of it having originated in China

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKBN1ZX1H3

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Also the WHO constantly advising for people to not wear masks unless they are sick.

https://www.who.int/emergencies/dise...w-to-use-masks

It's truly sickening, and Canada's Dr. Tam solely took advice from this versus practicing a strategy that made sense for Canadians.
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Almost all of the WHO's work is done in Africa and the Third World, an area already being rapidly being over taken by China, this makes their job even easier, I don't understand why those of you that don't like China don't understand this is an absolute gift to them, frankly I am surprised Putin is allowing it but maybe this is just some idiot idea Trump came up with without asking.
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If Trump and most other countries had done what the WHO had suggested they'd all be in much better places then they are now.

But sure - they said some incorrect things at the beginning to appease China so we can blame them for it all.
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