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Old 04-14-2020, 06:44 PM   #1
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Criticism of the Head of WHO's cover-ups of pandemic outbreaks aside, it looks like Trump attempting to distract from the COVID-19 outbreak by de-funding the World Health Organization in the middle of the pandemic. US makes up 50% of all funding WHO receives.

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Old 04-14-2020, 08:54 PM   #2
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Keeping aside trump and his actions, any discussion of which is absolutely toxic, I think the WHO has a lot to answer for. Hopefully there can be a push by all nations for a careful fair dissection of what they knew, when they knew it, and if/how the organization needs to be revamped to better the protect the world in the future. I expect the reality though to be steeped in general stupidity and uselessness.
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firing the fire department as your house is burning down, never a bright idea
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I think the WHO has proven as valuable as a smoke detector with a dead battery.

The director dude reminds me of the Iraqi Information Minister.
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I don't know how the WHO could be effective if countries aren't giving them the straight goods to begin with. Judging Trump's handling of this, I wouldn't trust him to enable the CDC to give the WHO all the details either at first. Both China and Trump have the same modus operandi - to maintain power.

The WHO doesn't even stand a chance of being effective. Having to deal with something as complex as medicine, in 180 countries with different languages, cultures, political motives and such varying degrees of health sophistication is doomed to fail.

Trump trying to pin this on the WHO and in turn China is probably the only alternative he has to accepting blame himself. He'll never do that. He can't blame a virus on the Democrats or Fake News.

Withholding funds to the WHO is probably the stupidest thing to do in a pandemic. A decision like that is going to affect their operations in all countries, not just the US. Fauci talks up the WHO all the time, and this was probably his best ears on the ground at some point, so I can't imagine him being too happy about this.
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Old 04-14-2020, 11:42 PM   #6
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I think the WHO has proven as valuable as a smoke detector with a dead battery.

The director dude reminds me of the Iraqi Information Minister.
Of course it has almost eradicated Polio, massively reduced malaria and TB world wide amongst the many things it does that Trump frankly doesn't care about in his endless journey to find someone or something else to blame for any and everything that he effed up.
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I think the WHO has proven as valuable as a smoke detector with a dead battery.

The director dude reminds me of the Iraqi Information Minister.
I actually like the analogy. Except they are more like the Fire Marshall, and homeowners (countries) should be checking to make sure their own batteries work. If you don’t take care of your own home, no global body will be able to take care of you effectively.
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January 28, 2020 press release issued by the WHO.

https://www.who.int/news-room/detail...virus-outbreak

Sickening the amount of sucking up to China.

This could have been written by the Iraqi Information Minister.
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China may have messed up to begin with, but they took swift action. It was less than 2 weeks from the first death from the virus to when they locked down Hubei. It's not China's fault that most western countries waited 2 more months after that to take any serious actions in response, which allowed things to get out of control in many countries.

There's a reason that places like South Korea and Singapore have been able to limit the damage of Covid and that's because they took it seriously from the get go and built up testing and health care capacity ahead of time.
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January 28, 2020 press release issued by the WHO.

https://www.who.int/news-room/detail...virus-outbreak

Sickening the amount of sucking up to China.

This could have been written by the Iraqi Information Minister.
It would have read pretty much the same if the virus had started in Kansas, this is an agency that relies on kissing its donor countries arses in order to keep several million people all over the third world alive through its various programs.

If it slagged off either China or the US those millions start to die of relatively preventable illnesses
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China may have messed up to begin with, but they took swift action. It was less than 2 weeks from the first death from the virus to when they locked down Hubei. It's not China's fault that most western countries waited 2 more months after that to take any serious actions in response, which allowed things to get out of control in many countries.

There's a reason that places like South Korea and Singapore have been able to limit the damage of Covid and that's because they took it seriously from the get go and built up testing and health care capacity ahead of time.
Swiftly locked up doctors trying to warn people about a new disease. And then proceeded to lie about numbers for a month so the rest of the world couldn't determine the course of the outbreak and plan better.
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January 28, 2020 press release issued by the WHO.

https://www.who.int/news-room/detail...virus-outbreak

Sickening the amount of sucking up to China.

This could have been written by the Iraqi Information Minister.

Let me ask you to step up and tell us. You said it is sickening.

What should this article realistically have said?

What would the implications of that change have been?
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Good they have been clearly sucking up to China since this whole fiasco began.
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Old 04-15-2020, 01:37 AM   #16
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They suck up to all the major countries because that's the only way they get to continue to exist and fund vast vaccination programs across the world, when was the last time a charity rang up your office called you a lying ######bag before asking for a donation?

They are a charity
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Old 04-15-2020, 02:18 AM   #17
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Good they have been clearly sucking up to China since this whole fiasco began.

If they don't suck up to China, then they get all of their access to that region cut. Given how many pathogens originate from there that would be a very bad thing.
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The WHO director got his position because China supported him. It's an elected position. He's the same jerk who appointed dictator and Chinese ally Mugabe as a goodwill ambassador which was universally condemned by anyone with any ounce of critical thinking (as well as Justin Trudeau...).

This was from 2017:
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Some speculate that Tedros’s decision to appoint Mugabe was a pay-off to China, which worked tirelessly behind the scenes to help Tedros defeat the United Kingdom candidate for the WHO job, David Nabarro. Tedros’s victory was also a victory for Beijing, whose leader Xi Jinping has made public his goal of flexing China’s muscle in the world
Him talking about how amazing, knowledgeable and transparent Xi Jinping is while China was literally locking up doctors and anyone trying to warn the world should have cost the WHO their entire credibility back in January.

I don't agree with Trump very often, but I fully support him here. If the WHO wants to play politics and favours for personal gain, its going to lose support for those it betrays. And right now that's the entirety of the world outside of China.

With that said, the WHO has done a lot of good before and hopefully can continue to do so in the future. The problem is at the top, get rid of Tedros, stop the WHO from being a political mouthpiece of China, and get it back to you know actually being a world health organization, and you can correct course.

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Good they have been clearly sucking up to China since this whole fiasco began.
Obviously there is no credibility in a organization that spews this kind of trash. They should be fired.
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The WHO delegation highly appreciated the actions China has implemented in response to the outbreak, its speed in identifying the virus and openness to sharing information with WHO and other countries.
Just because you are the world's biggest dope doesn't mean you don't do the odd thing right, occasionally.
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Doesn't this just open the door for a country like China to step in and "save the WHO", and then exert even more influence? This seems like really bad policy.
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