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Old 03-16-2020, 03:41 PM   #1
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Obviously focus is on getting through this, but it is interesting to think about how this is a true before/after moment. Probably THE before/after moment of our lives.

So what changes in the after?
- Does the way people travel alter? (Less cruising, less global travel all around?)
- Do our social norms and behaviors change (no hand shaking, or worse yet cheek kissing the some cultures do)
- Do we see a huge increase in remote working, outside the shift that is already happening?
- Do we see a reduction in mass gatherings?

What else potentially changes in the after?
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Old 03-16-2020, 03:45 PM   #2
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I hope this is the death of the cruise ship industry. Those ships are some of the largest polluters on the planet and they serve no real purpose


Crazy times though. Only comparable I have to this is 9-11 which changed air travel worldwide. Between that, Covid, and technology, the world my daughters will grow up in will be vastly different than the one I did
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Old 03-16-2020, 03:47 PM   #3
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Alternatively, in 6 months to a year, we all go back to normal as if nothing happened. Humans aren't very good at change.
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Old 03-16-2020, 04:02 PM   #4
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Obviously focus is on getting through this, but it is interesting to think about how this is a true before/after moment. Probably THE before/after moment of our lives.

So what changes in the after?
- Does the way people travel alter? (Less cruising, less global travel all around?)
- Do our social norms and behaviors change (no hand shaking, or worse yet cheek kissing the some cultures do)
- Do we see a huge increase in remote working, outside the shift that is already happening?
- Do we see a reduction in mass gatherings?

What else potentially changes in the after?
For most of us on this board the before/after moment happened in September of 2001. This will not have the same effect. Ingrained social customs (handshakes, kisses) will return incredibly quickly. Gatherings even faster, people will want to reconnect with and be around others again.

Less cruising maybe, but less travel overall I don't think so, especially if the low cost carriers survive this.
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Old 03-16-2020, 04:10 PM   #5
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It'd be nice if this finally caused our species to recognize we're all in this together on our little blue spaceship.... but in reality we'll probably just keep spending trillions on new and inventive ways of killing each other.
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I think there will be a larger movement towards Vegetarian/Veganism. People will start looking at the root cause of all this.
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I hope this is the death of the cruise ship industry. Those ships are some of the largest polluters on the planet and they serve no real purpose


Crazy times though. Only comparable I have to this is 9-11 which changed air travel worldwide. Between that, Covid, and technology, the world my daughters will grow up in will be vastly different than the one I did
for me the closest thing was the AIDS epidemic. that's the last time I felt this way in regards to the changing world of personal health.
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I don't think much change will come from this at all.
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Hopefully people stop eating high risk and endangered wildlife. Other than that I think most people will want life to return to normal.
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I don't think much change will come from this at all.
Unfortunately I agree with this
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I suspect there will be more remote work done as companies realize that it's relatively straightforward and likely more cost effective.

And while this isn't what you asked about, I hope that this changes some dietary and food handling practices along with maybe our relationship to the natural world.
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Maybe #3 more remote working. Cant see the others happening.
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Remote work, maybe.

I think the biggest advances will be on the scientific/medical side. One of the success stories with Covid-19 is how quickly we were able to identify, decode, diagnose, treat, and begin to develop a vaccine for this virus.
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Hopefully this shuts down wet or other meat markets in China. This has happened multiple times now. Many countries and economies I would assume are not happy right now.
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We spend a lot of time at work reviving people who overdose, who drive while under the influence or texting, or who generally just take their life or the lives of others for granted with carelessness or selfishness. Many of those same people are calling us in a panic because of perceived flu-like symptoms. They’re incredibly concerned for their lives with respect to covid, where in reality they’ve been playing roulette with their lives long before.

My hope is that people realize the preciousness of life, health, family, humanity and come out of this with a larger respect towards wanting to stay on this planet longer than they perhaps realized prior to this pandemic and make some changes outside of just avoiding a flu to realize it.
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One of the things I know I'll change after this is being a little more social with my friend groups. I take that for granted. Even if it's coffee or a couple drinks, connecting with friends and family will be higher on my list after all this.

Being alone sucks.

What I would hope would come out of all this (which I doubt will) is better care for those in less fortunate positions globally. We're lucky in Canada, to some degree, but places like China where the gap between super-wealthy and super-poor is at the heart of what's happening today. People will do anything to survive. I hope countries like China take better care of their super-poor and enact stricter regulations on food handling etc.
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Isn't the whole name of the game right now to buy time for the health care system, while we race towards a mass produced vaccine?

I suspect there may be changes and developments behind the scenes in public health, epidemiology, maybe medical research. Perhaps how scientists and researchers coordinate across the globe. Perhaps they will even make new discoveries. Maybe some adjustments in manufacturing supply lines etc. Hell maybe even the financial system will make some changes. But I doubt very much that our day to day lives will change much at all.

The optimistic side of me hope's that there are some incredible lessons learned from this.

The pessimistic/realist side of me thinks that the government's and corporations of the world won't have learned a damned thing. Hoarding of wealth, slashing of budgets and over spending in the name of votes and ideologies wont change at all, and the continuation of outsourcing to the lowest bidder in the name of cost savings and at the detriment to public health and well being will absolutely continue.

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There are going to be a lot of people working longer in life to make up for all the money we are losing.
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Yeah I really don't think much changes ultimately.

Hopefully a change of healthcare system in the US maybe? That might be about it.
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The world realizes how well work/study from home works and we get rid of offices, schools and campuses.
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