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Old 09-25-2020, 05:01 PM   #7941
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I think they Carolina would be tripping over themselves to do that deal and they could likely keep Gaudreau longer than two years. He would be over 100 points on that team IMO.

Flames are the team with the proven top end player here

I think there is likely no way that Carolina makes that trade.

Johnny may resign with them, but they may have little interest in signing that type of player for a long term non-prime years contract.

He’ll be 29 when that contact kicks in.

Johnny would make them better this year, but for the long run I suspect they wouldn’t make that deal.

And Johnny is not guaranteed to get 100 points on Carolina.


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I think there is likely no way that Carolina makes that trade.

Johnny may resign with them, but they may have little interest in signing that type of player for a long term non-prime years contract.

He’ll be 29 when that contact kicks in.

Johnny would make them better this year, but for the long run I suspect they wouldn’t make that deal.

And Johnny is not guaranteed to get 100 points on Carolina.


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I think their only hesitancy would be if they could retain Gaudreau.

Teams will be stumbling over themselves to sign him as a 29 year old UFA. Players of his caliber rarely make it to free agency.
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I think there is likely no way that Carolina makes that trade.

Johnny may resign with them, but they may have little interest in signing that type of player for a long term non-prime years contract.

He’ll be 29 when that contact kicks in.

Johnny would make them better this year, but for the long run I suspect they wouldn’t make that deal.

And Johnny is not guaranteed to get 100 points on Carolina.


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I think their only hesitancy would be if they could retain Gaudreau.

Teams will be stumbling over themselves to sign him as a 29 year old UFA. Players of his caliber rarely make it to free agency.
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Old 09-25-2020, 05:21 PM   #7944
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I think their only hesitancy would be if they could retain Gaudreau.

Teams will be stumbling over themselves to sign him as a 29 year old UFA. Players of his caliber rarely make it to free agency.
You’re right that’s been true. But the trend now is younger skilled players are signing less than full term deals. I think over time more and more players aged 27-29 are going to hit UFA. Then sign for full term in what they think will be their last mash or deal.

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Old 09-25-2020, 05:26 PM   #7945
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I wonder, will the revenue fallout from COVID be material enough that compliance buyouts will be on the table in a year or two?

I’m thinking about how can the NHL survive the drops in revenue with the current contracts signed never mind the ones that will be signed in the next month.

Will escrow basically deflate the value of all deals?

Will an AP deal signed for 9 really be worth 6? For example.
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Old 09-25-2020, 05:38 PM   #7946
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I think they Carolina would be tripping over themselves to do that deal and they could likely keep Gaudreau longer than two years. He would be over 100 points on that team IMO.

Flames are the team with the proven top end player here


It’s a fair point you make, but would say Necas is probably quite ready to contribute in a top 6 role. Paced 46 points on 14 minutes ice time and 2nd pp duties. He’s a ready made 60 point guy making peanuts for a couple years then signing a sub market (compared to ufa) contract for like 4-5 years. Surplus value of that and using the extra 5ish million in other areas the next two years on other areas of need (ie it could buy you a good starting goalie) feels more prudent to me.

As far as the proposition of extending him... Johnny may want to resign there, we don’t really know. I would think he’s close enough to free agency that he would test the waters unless blown away at an offer, which Carolina doesn’t really do. It’s a big ? How to assign value to the possibility and can’t make that assumption.

I wouldn’t do it if I was Carolina.


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Old 09-25-2020, 05:47 PM   #7947
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Was thinking it might have been your podcast at first.

Would be right up there with your take that French Fries are a waste of potatoes.
I stand by that. French fries are terrible.
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Old 09-25-2020, 05:59 PM   #7948
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Go look what a few months of Taylor Hall returned...Why be willing to accept less for two years of Gaudreau?

Flames don't move him now unless its a clear cut win IMO
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Go look what a few months of Taylor Hall returned...Why be willing to accept less for two years of Gaudreau?

Flames don't move him now unless its a clear cut win IMO
This is why I doubt that Gaudreau ultimately gets moved.

Now is the time to trade him, but I also doubt anyone is willing to fork up the assets
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This is why I doubt that Gaudreau ultimately gets moved.

Now is the time to trade him, but I also doubt anyone is willing to fork up the assets
so now is not the time lol
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so now is not the time lol
Well, the time to trade Cammy was at the trade deadline in 2014.
They didn't, because no one offered enough.

But still, that was the time to trade him.
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Go look what a few months of Taylor Hall returned...Why be willing to accept less for two years of Gaudreau?

Flames don't move him now unless its a clear cut win IMO
I agree with you, but Necas alone is by FAR better than any of the pieces Hall returned in the NJD/AZI trade.

Now, IMO it should be Necas + in a Johnny trade, I just don't know if the Canes would be very willing to move a guy like that. ELC and expansion exempt is huge right now.
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Any chance the Flames buy anyone out?
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Old 09-25-2020, 06:37 PM   #7954
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Any chance the Flames buy anyone out?
Who do you think might be a candidate? I can't think of any
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Would it be worth it for the Flames to buyout Milan Lucic then sign him for $700,000 just like they did with Michael Stone?
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Would it be worth it for the Flames to buyout Milan Lucic then sign him for $700,000 just like they did with Michael Stone?
That would mean Lucic costs about $250k more against the cap than doing nothing.
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Lucic's contract is structured in such a way that it would not be that beneficial to buy him out. It would be better to maintain him as an active player.
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Would it be worth it for the Flames to buyout Milan Lucic then sign him for $700,000 just like they did with Michael Stone?
No.

His buy out cap hit in year one of the buy out would be $4,812,500 for Calgary. Add $700k to that and it's more than they are paying now.
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What would it cost to get Anthony Cirelli? Could we get him for what Vancouver gave Tampa for JT Miller, a 1st round pick, a 3rd round pick and a meh prospect?
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Cirelli is one of the top 5 players on a Stanley Cup final team. He would be nearly impossible to pry out of there. Killorn is probably available to a team that wants a scumbag and doesn't have one, though.
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