[Signing] Habs sign Jeff Petry to an extension starting in 2021 (4 yrs, $6.25mil AAV)

[Lumby Lager]

Originally Posted by agulati

Doesn’t Quebec have one of the highest tax rates in the league?

They are the highest followed by Ottawa and Toronto then Winnipeg.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

I could see why Montreal might do this, but no way would I take Petry on as a UFA at $6.25/ 4 years (starting the year after next). His production is good (better than Brodie or Hanifin), but I would take the younger player at a smaller cap hit every time.

[bax]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Petro is making this money for posting 42, 46, and 40 points in three straight years. Hanfin's career year of 33 is 25'ish % less than what Petry has now done consistently. That's not insignificant. I'm not arguing against Hanifin in any way - I'm just arguing against this Petry deal somehow making the Hanifin deal better. I don't think it does in any way.

You can't just look at point totals though. Petry has scored 16, 27, and 21 points at even strength over his last three seasons. Hanifin has scored 22, 23, and 14. So Petry has outscored him at 5 on 5 by 5 points over three seasons. These were Petry's 30-32 years and Hanifin's 21-23 years.

When Petry was 23 he had 35 NHL games under his belt and 5 points.

I won't discredit Petry's power play points entirely, but over the last 3 years he has averaged 2:34 of PP time per game on the top unit compared to Hanifin's 1:23 per game average on the second unit. Their point totals would be much closer (if not in favor of Hanifin) if they were given the same opportunities.

I don't see any team taking Petry over Hanifin (especially not with the price difference now).

Maybe someone smarter than I can breakdown their defensive games to see if there is a significant difference there? Offensively there is no way Petry is worth $1.8 more than Hanifin.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by bax

You can't just look at point totals though. Petry has scored 16, 27, and 21 points at even strength over his last three seasons. Hanifin has scored 22, 23, and 14. So Petry has outscored him at 5 on 5 by 5 points over three seasons. These were Petry's 30-32 years and Hanifin's 21-23 years.

When Petry was 23 he had 35 NHL games under his belt and 5 points.

I won't discredit Petry's power play points entirely, but over the last 3 years he has averaged 2:34 of PP time per game on the top unit compared to Hanifin's 1:23 per game average on the second unit. Their point totals would be much closer (if not in favor of Hanifin) if they were given the same opportunities.

I don't see any team taking Petry over Hanifin (especially not with the price difference now).

Maybe someone smarter than I can breakdown their defensive games to see if there is a significant difference there? Offensively there is no way Petry is worth $1.8 more than Hanifin.

Petry's underlying numbers are pretty damn good, and better than Hanifin's.

Here's 2019/2020 (and it wasn't a one-off, these are normal for him)

CF%: 56.84
SF%: 56.52
GF%: 48.57
xGF%: 56.48
SCF%: 57.30
HDCF%: 57.11
HDGF%: 53.97

He's very good.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1309578907117662213

https://twitter.com/user/status/1309576110716399623

https://twitter.com/user/status/1309576947920445445

Jeff Petry is better than Noah Hanifin today, and has played consistently at a level Noah Hanifin has never reached. Yeah, Hanifin is younger - but that is no guarantee he will get this good, and again - this Petry contract in no way makes the Hanifin contract "better".

Also - hahah Stupid Oilers.

[Funkhouser]

Petry is great. He is consistent and a clutch performer.
The fact that he has bloomed after leaving Edmonton makes him even better in my eyes.

Term is good, but dollar value is a bit high given the context.
Not sure why Bergevin is spending like a drunken sailor when it appears all other GMs are waiting for the carousel to stop.

[topfiverecords]

Hindsight is 20/20 has to be the most used phrase in the Oilers exec casting couch lounge.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Petry's underlying numbers are pretty damn good, and better than Hanifin's.

Here's 2019/2020 (and it wasn't a one-off, these are normal for him)

CF%: 56.84
SF%: 56.52
GF%: 48.57
xGF%: 56.48
SCF%: 57.30
HDCF%: 57.11
HDGF%: 53.97

He's very good.

I have always found Corsi to be lacking.
If you look at Petry's giveaway/Takeaway ratio it's quite poor, hanifin outpaces him handily in both categories, along with blocks. Hanifin's shooting percentage is criminally low (3.8%), while also getting more d zone starts than Petry.

This data is older than I would like (does anyone have a link to a better player comparison tool now?) but it shows some pretty interesting possession metrics for Hanifin. Keeping in mind he's almost 10 years younger than Petry.



Edit: hilariously before your edit I was also grabbing data from Evolve Hockey.

We can certainly agree on one thing: Stupid Oilers!

[bax]

Looks like Petry is fairly effective in the D zone as well. I just don't think his offence is anything special compared to Hanifin. Still a good player though and worth his new deal. I still prefer Hanifin based on contract and potential though.

Either way, stupid Oilers!

[dino7c]

Why are we comparing a 23 year old to a 32 year old?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Why are we comparing a 23 year old to a 32 year old?

I'm not really, I was just responding to a comment around "this deal makes the Hanifin deal look better".

[Flames1217]

I live in Quebec and taxes are horrible here.

You need to take that into consideration, it's a Brodie comparable forsure but Alberta's taxes are far more forgiving.

[David Struch]

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/jeff-petry

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

1. Edmonton
2. Edmonton
3. Edmonton
4. Edmonton
5. Edmonton
6. Edmonton
7. Edmonton
8. Edmonton
9. Edmonton
10. Winnipeg
11. Edmonton
12. Edmonton
13. Edmonton
14. Edmonton
15. Edmonton

This is how Eric Staal ended up in Buffalo

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

This is how Eric Staal ended up in Buffalo

Still better than Edmonton

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

I live in Quebec and taxes are horrible here.

You need to take that into consideration, it's a Brodie comparable forsure but Alberta's taxes are far more forgiving.

You just need a little advice from Tucker and Corson is all.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Jeff Petry is significantly better than Noah Hanifin by every measurable statistic. Petry is really good, and he doesn't get anywhere near the recognition he deserves (although this contract gives him the recognition).

Petry is also 32 years old. I believe that Hanafin is light years ahead of where Petry was at 23.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

Petry is also 32 years old. I believe that Hanafin is light years ahead of where Petry was at 23.

Petry was excellent as a 23 year old.

BUT, he was covered in the veil of !@#$ in Edmonton, and he couldn't release his awesomeness.

[Jacks]

Good for him, he's carved out a nice career for himself since he escaped the land of dysfunction.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Petry was excellent as a 23 year old.

BUT, he was covered in the veil of !@#$ in Edmonton, and he couldn't release his awesomeness.

Whoa! Jeff Petry came into his own as a very good defenceman at 30.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Why are we comparing a 23 year old to a 32 year old?

just trying to riase awraeness that Otcober is dyslexia awraeness month lap.