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Old 05-21-2017, 08:52 AM   #101
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well, here's my take on that, unless she was willing to tell the gullible, what they wanted to hear, regardless of how grounded in reality it was, she wound't have gotten their votes anyways.

bringing back coal jobs, and returning America to the prosperity of the 50's, when union workers were making tons of money, twisting bolts, in Ford plants, is simply not going to happen. There's nothing her or Trump can do about it, but voters were willing to vote for the snake oil salesman, for a dream he sold them.


She didn't lose because of coal miners. She lost because she lost what should have been safe states like Pa but extremely small margins. If she had focused even a bit on those I have no doubt she could have rallied enough support to win. She was fighting headwinds from the late breaking FBI thing and needed to counter more strongly. Her tactical game wasn't good enough.

Having said that, the fact that the ejection was even close speaks to bigger problems with her candidacy, some of her making and some from external factors.
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Old 05-21-2017, 09:13 AM   #102
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I'll just leave this here. I don't know if Liberals have realistic standards for their candidates at this point.

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Old 05-22-2017, 04:08 PM   #103
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Here is our fundamental disagreement. Automation is not a wealth transfer mechanism. It is a driver of efficiency.
How do you not see it as a wealth transfer mechanism? It drives labour cost efficiency, I'll give you that much. But it does not always provide any efficiency from a productivity perspective.

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Automation creates surplus capacity. This surplus capacity can be taken as profit, a reduction in price, increased wages for remaining workers or tax. Creating surplus is always good in an economy.
If that companies' surplus is kept only as profit or invested in another economic region it does not help the local economy. Unless the employees who lose their jobs are able to find new ones that pay the same amount of money they also now put a strain on the existing economy, less spending of their earnings at other businesses will decrease those businesses' sales. So I'm not sure how you classify that as "always" a good thing. Increasing the wages of the remaining employees would help soften the burden, but I think you'll agree that this is unlikely to be the employers goal by automating as it is counter productive to their decision to automate in the first place. Price reduction is possible as well, however it also seems like an unlikely outcome given the fact it also works against the cost cutting motivation behind automating.
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Old 09-07-2017, 12:23 PM   #104
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Old 09-07-2017, 12:24 PM   #105
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Her book coming out and everyone covering what it says is highly annoying.
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Old 09-07-2017, 12:33 PM   #106
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I deal with Americans on a daily basis. I was one of the people that said before the election that I anticipated it would be closer than people thought. I would usually always bring up the subject for small talk when talking to EPC's and end users and everyone and I mean everyone (I must disclose almost all of the male gender) I discussed the topic had disdain for Clinton. Most didn't even like Trump. They just hated Hillary. These weren't the stereotypical downtrodden Americans but engineers, big wigs, etc. Trump is president today because a lot of voters really didn't like Hillary.
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Old 09-07-2017, 12:41 PM   #107
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I deal with Americans on a daily basis. I was one of the people that said before the election that I anticipated it would be closer than people thought. I would usually always bring up the subject for small talk when talking to EPC's and end users and everyone and I mean everyone (I must disclose almost all of the male gender) I discussed the topic had disdain for Clinton. Most didn't even like Trump. They just hated Hillary. These weren't the stereotypical downtrodden Americans but engineers, big wigs, etc. Trump is president today because a lot of voters really didn't like Hillary.
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Dems could have had an easy win, so many excuses but they are to blame for running such a poor candidate
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Old 09-07-2017, 12:51 PM   #108
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I deal with Americans on a daily basis. I was one of the people that said before the election that I anticipated it would be closer than people thought. I would usually always bring up the subject for small talk when talking to EPC's and end users and everyone and I mean everyone (I must disclose almost all of the male gender) I discussed the topic had disdain for Clinton. Most didn't even like Trump. They just hated Hillary. These weren't the stereotypical downtrodden Americans but engineers, big wigs, etc. Trump is president today because a lot of voters really didn't like Hillary.
I fit into this category. I made a comment at one point in our discussions here during the election that I didn't necessarily want to see Trump win but I certainly wanted to see Hillary lose.
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CNBC summary of the Clinton issues

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/07/hill...ommentary.html

Sounds like she should have named her book "F you Bernie you rat, thanks Obama fer nothin"

Just shut up already is the message from the Democrats

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...mocrats-242419
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I saw about 10 minutes of her interview with AC last night, and she is light years more intelligent and competent than Trump.
She also made some really good points about what happened.
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I saw about 10 minutes of her interview with AC last night, and she is light years more intelligent and competent than Trump.
She also made some really good points about what happened.
Doesn't matter, at this point she is pure poison. She needs to disappear and the democratic party has to cut ties completely for them to move on and become a relevant force again
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