[News Roundup] CSEC/City arena deal UPDATED: Third Party Facilitator

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Dan403

This is what you get for electing leftists.

Failed conservative mayoral candidate Jeromy Farkas, the most stridently right-wing councillor Calgary has had in decades, has consistently always opposed any amount of corporate welfare for the new arena.

But keep blaming this on the "leftist" boogeyman if it makes you feel righteously indignant.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

Hell yeah! Let's lose the team, AND be stuck with an old arena! That'll show 'em. Not sure exactly who "them" is, but whoever they are, they'll be shown! And every time we enter a crumbling saddledome to see a junior hockey team play we'll be secure in the knowledge that we did our part for global warming. Let Edmonton have frivolous things like concerts, world juniors, an NHL team, we're too smart and self satisfied to need those in Calgary! Whoever built Rogers Arena probably didn't even add solar panels to it, for shame.

It will show Murray Edwards, who I am sure, will go back to relaxing in his mansion in Switzerland not really giving a damn.

[Manhattanboy]

The City will get their wish and be able change the name of the Saddledome to Net Zero Arena, as in no wins, no losses, no goals for, no goals against....

[Jordan!]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Failed conservative mayoral candidate Jeromy Farkas, the most stridently right-wing councillor Calgary has had in decades, has consistently always opposed any amount of corporate welfare for the new arena.

But keep blaming this on the "leftist" boogeyman if it makes you feel righteously indignant.

Also a woman of color.. If the mayor was some white dude nobody would even mention this leftist BS.

Same in Arizona, it's always the conservative groups who oppose this stuff see: Goldwater Institute

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Failed conservative mayoral candidate Jeromy Farkas, the most stridently right-wing councillor Calgary has had in decades, has consistently always opposed any amount of corporate welfare for the new arena.

But keep blaming this on the "leftist" boogeyman if it makes you feel righteously indignant.

Murray Edwards himself was a regular donor to the Liberal Party when he lived in Canada. If anything, the "leftist" in this situation is the majority owner who wants public funding.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Murray Edwards himself was a regular donor to the Liberal Party when he lived in Canada. If anything, the "leftist" in this situation is the majority owner who wants public funding.

He's not the majority owner. He's the managing partner.

[woob]

I can't imagine the amount of garbage Gondek is getting sent her way on the various social media platforms right now. It's probably appalling. Especially since she likely had very little impact on how this came to be and is willing to find additional funding to keep the deal alive.

This thread is such a great example of people only wanting to hear their side, despite people contributing valid and helpful information to the discussion.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

He's not the majority owner. He's the managing partner.

Thanks for the clarification. I was not aware.

[Don Benji]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

Also a woman of color.. If the mayor was some white dude nobody would even mention this leftist BS.

Absolutely false. If Gian-Carlo Carra was mayor you'd see exactly the same reaction.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Who put in the money to build Rogers Arena, in the second most expensive city in Canada?

It was privately funded to house both the Canucks and the Grizzlies in a much larger market with many more off-season events (meaning it would have nearly 100% occupancy for much of the year), required the owner to bring on a minority partner to help finance its construction and financing costs, was done at a time when construction was far cheaper than today, and involved a sweetheart land purchase. The total equivalent cost in today's dollars (with the recent spikes in material costs) would be about $300M, which is less than CSEC was prepared to put into this project.

Let's face it, arenas built in small to medium sized markets will not be profitable in themselves. It's only when you consider the boost to the food, retail, and tourism industries that it makes any financial sense at all, but those aren't benefits that are reaped by the franchise owners, but by the community as a whole. Which is why a partnership between the franchise and the municipality makes sense when you're not dealing with a large market. If we don't want that, fine, but then we will have to live without the pride and prestige that come with having a major league sports team and a venue that attracts top artists.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Don Benji

Absolutely false. If Gian-Carlo Carra was mayor you'd see exactly the same reaction.

I just scanned Twitter searching for the term "Gondek" and within 15s found a tweet in which some racist dillhole claimed that her agenda was to replace hockey in Calgary with cricket. I can 100% guarantee you that a hypothetical Mayor Carra would not have had a comment like that directed at him.

[Dan403]

Terrible decision by the Mayor.

Profoundly stupid.

[Manhattanboy]

Thread title should now be changed to CSEC determines not to proceed with New Arena

[getbak]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

I just scanned Twitter searching for the term "Gondek" and within 15s found a tweet in which some racist dillhole claimed that her agenda was to replace hockey in Calgary with cricket. I can 100% guarantee you that a hypothetical Mayor Carra would not have had a comment like that directed at him.

Can't even come up with an original insult. I'm pretty sure the same comment was directed at Nenshi one of the many previous times the Flames took their ball and went home.

[Icon]

Why can't we just have nice things?

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by Dan403

Terrible decision by the Mayor.

Profoundly stupid.

This is not the mayor's decision. It is CSEC's decision based on the requests from Administration.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Icon

Why can't we just have nice things?

You can if you move to Vancouver, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Toronto, Ottawa or Montreal. I could go on....

[Icon]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

You can if you move to Vancouver, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Toronto, Ottawa or Montreal. I could go on....

That's kinda my point

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

I just scanned Twitter searching for the term "Gondek" and within 15s found a tweet in which some racist dillhole claimed that her agenda was to replace hockey in Calgary with cricket. I can 100% guarantee you that a hypothetical Mayor Carra would not have had a comment like that directed at him.

Why?

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Well, do tell. Do tell. What is central to civic pride? What makes Calgary so much different from other cities that makes the heart of all Calgarians swell to five times larger beyond the tribalism associated with competition?

- A skyline and corporate head office count that put many larger cities to shame.
- Open, sunny skies that light up for sunsets and sunrises.
- Hosted the Olympics.
- Frankly, the Saddledome is more of an icon than the new arena will ever be.
- A people who came together and helped each other recover from the flood.
- Shutting down the city to party for a week every summer, with free breakfasts!
- Being THE leading city in Canada for wealth generation per capita.
- Gateway to the mountains.
- Despite being known as rednecks, we elected a muslim, then a woman (who is presently being villainized) as mayor.
- A great public library, and the NMC.

An NHL team merely puts us in the same category as Winnipeg. The things I listed are what separate us.