Shooting at mosque in Quebec City; several dead

[Weitz]

"It seemed to me that they had a Quebecois accent. They started to fire, and as they shot they yelled, 'Allahu akbar!' The bullets hit people that were praying. People who were praying lost their lives. A bullet passed right over my head," said the witness.

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/m...hots-1.3957686

[Zarley]

Awful news to hear.

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Trying to decide if its better to be a splinter group of Islamic wack jobs or a racist bunch of right wing redneck wack jobs

Quebecois nationalism and anti-Islamism is typically associated with the extreme left.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Since when is anti-Islamism associated with the extreme left?

Anyway, no point in speculating until there's more information. What's obvious is that this is horrible, and at the same time fortunate that it isn't worse given the number of people reportedly in the mosque. Not the sort of thing you expect to see in Canada.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Zarley

Awful news to hear.



Quebecois nationalism and anti-Islamism is typically associated with the extreme left.

There's really no difference between the extreme left and right, their whole philosophy ends up meeting in the middle in a malange of sock muppet hatred of neo liberal elders of zion global capitalist anti immigrants under mining the working man.

[Zarley]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Since when is anti-Islamism associated with the extreme left?

Apologies for continuing this tangent, but in Quebec it is (and has been for years). Do you not recall the charter of Quebec values proposed by the PQ?

It's an extension of Quebecois nationalism that has been the domain of the left (Québec solidaire and the pequistes) since the 1970s.

[Sluggo]

Originally Posted by Zarley

Apologies for continuing this tangent, but in Quebec it is (and has been for years). Do you not recall the charter of Quebec values proposed by the PQ?

It's an extension of Quebecois nationalism that has been the domain of the left (Québec solidaire and the pequistes) since the 1970s.

Lucien Bouchard was once conservative MP and many of his party were also of the same political leaning.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Zarley

Apologies for continuing this tangent, but in Quebec it is (and has been for years). Do you not recall the charter of Quebec values proposed by the PQ?

It's an extension of Quebecois nationalism that has been the domain of the left (Québec solidaire and the pequistes) since the 1970s.

Quebec nationalism like Irish nationalism is a bit weird though, it is rooted in hyper conservative catholic nationalism that was then co opted as a cause by the left in the 60's and 70's, it isn't 'left wing' per say in fact nationalism is by definition not a left wing area, left wing philosophy in theory views the very concept of nationalism like religion as a sop to keep the working class quiet.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Quebec nationalism like Irish nationalism is a bit weird though, it is rooted in hyper conservative catholic nationalism that was then co opted as a cause by the left in the 60's and 70's, it isn't 'left wing' per say in fact nationalism is by definition not a left wing area, left wing philosophy in theory views the very concept of nationalism like religion as a sop to keep the working class quiet.

great post. so tight.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

great post. so tight.

thanks, I'm a lapsed commie, its like being a lapsed Catholic but without all the potential deathbed regrets!

[peter12]

Quebec nationalism is definitely not rooted in hyper conservative Catholicism. Absolutely, definitely not.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by peter12

Quebec nationalism is definitely not rooted in hyper conservative Catholicism. Absolutely, definitely not.

I doubt you'd find a leader of Quebec nationalism that wasn't educated by the Jesuits, I suppose I could be clearer when I say hyper conservative Catholicism, I don't mean hyper conservative within the catholic church, I mean that the catholic roots of nationalism were hyper conservative in comparison with the left wing that adopted it in the late 60's.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by peter12

Quebec nationalism is definitely not rooted in hyper conservative Catholicism. Absolutely, definitely not.

You might really enjoy this article:

https://www.jstor.org/stable/2551565...n_tab_contents

[AltaGuy]

Catholicism and Quebec nationalism have a pretty incredible history, but I would say it's pretty far from the truth to align today's sovereigntists with the Catholic church and conservatism.

The Quiet Revolution was a secular, nationalist reaction to the fact that all power in Quebec was held by a conservative Anglo-Catholic coalition. When Duplessis died in 1959, the province went through a profound change.

Quebec went - almost overnight - from one of the most religious to the most secular societies on earth and the sovereignty movement was born during that transition.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

Catholicism and Quebec nationalism have a pretty incredible history, but I would say it's pretty far from the truth to align today's sovereigntists with the Catholic church and conservatism.

The Quiet Revolution was a secular, nationalist reaction to the fact that all power in Quebec was held by a conservative Anglo-Catholic coalition. When Duplessis died in 1959, the province went through a profound change.

Quebec went - almost overnight - from one of the most religious to the most secular societies on earth and the sovereignty movement was born during that transition.

Pretty much. The FLQ were Marxists, and were popular with Quebec's leftist intelligentsia until they went too far against the imperialist oppressors and killed Pierre Laporte. And the PQ are the most left-leaning party in North America. Nationalism and socialism aren't at all incompatible. In fact, it's making a comeback around the world.

But the new configuration of left and right is probably better served by its own thread.

[Resolute 14]

Rather difficult to argue that anti-Islamism is associated with the far left when we have a far right government just to the south of us making anti-Islamic bigotry official government policy. And to that end, the radio report on the news this morning made it clear that one of the big topics our government (and the police) will have to look at is how much influence Trump and the GOP's behaviour influenced this attack.

[puckedoff]

My condolences, to anyone reading this thread

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Police just held a press conference but I missed most of it and the latter half was mostly "no comment". But I gather the suspects were not Canadian-born.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Police just held a press conference but I missed most of it and the latter half was mostly "no comment". But I gather the suspects were not Canadian-born.

One of them apparently was Moroccan.

[CaptainCrunch]

The whole thing is just weird, one arrested at the sight, one arrested on a bridge not to far away after calling the police and offering to cooperate, but I'm not sure of the time line.

There are lots of rumors flying around that the two suspects were university students, that one was foreign born.

We won't know much until they appear in court, but the police are still working on charges.

They don't think that there's a threat of further violence, yet police have been stationed at mosques for morning prayers.

The easy use of the term terrorism, which is a buzz word nowdays for Islamic terror.

My first thought was ultra nationalist french, especially after the pig head incident last year at the same mosque, and it still could be.

I want to clarify my statement early, I really don't want this to be a radical islamic terrorist act, or some ISIS motivated attack because we don't need to give anyone an excuse to go batS%%% anti-Islam, and we don't need to give the Trump Government any further justification for their insane policies by pointing at Canada and saying "See if we're not vigilant this will happen"

[OMG!WTF!]

Named the suspects...

Alexandre Bissonnette and Mohamed Khadir.

Will be interesting to see motivation.