12-05-2018, 08:51 AM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
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Forbes NHL Valuations 2018
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeoza.../#2ec83bb350e2
Just the list: https://www.forbes.com/nhl-valuations/list/
Top 5
NYR $1.55 B
TOR $1.45 B
MTL $1.3 B
CHI $1.05B
BOS $0.925B
Bottom 5
ARI $290M
FLA $295M
CBJ $320M
BUF $375M
WIN $415M
Calgary comes in at #20 at $450M
They also calculate the average operating income for NHL teams was $25 million an increase of 39% from the previous season.
Some interesting speculation on future TV deals. They are expecting the US national TV deal to at least double going from an average of $200 million/year to more than $400 million/year.
Also reporting that the Caps and Sabres are getting $35 million and $25 million a season respectively for local TV deals. Looks like there are still some rich TV deals to be had in the US.
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12-05-2018, 09:00 AM
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Always some debate about what is included etc, but from Forbes list to Forbes list there are sure less teams losing money than 5 or so years ago.
Hard to search now as they've written over their links, but I remember years where you had 7 wealthy teams 10 middling teams and then 13 teams losing money, five losing a lot.
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12-05-2018, 09:10 AM
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: England
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Interesting to see the fluctuation. Would adding a team i.e Seattle saturate these numbers a bit? Especially to do with TV deals etc.
In the same vein, I assume that moving some of the lower-earning teams like Arizona or Florida to Quebec or Hamilton/Houston would increase these numbers overall.
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12-05-2018, 10:51 AM
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First Line Centre
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Nice to see tv deals in the US are good. Should push the cap up consistently
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12-05-2018, 11:00 AM
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In the Sin Bin
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The US TV deal doubling is very optimistic I think. Particularly given the consistent increase in cord cutters.
IMO, it only gets to $400 million a year if one of the digital services - and that could include NBC Online - thinks that hockey could pull people to those services.
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12-05-2018, 11:37 AM
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Franchise Player
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I'm curious why the baseline wouldn't be the expansion team cost. It would cost $600 million to get an NHL team, so isn't that the cheapest they should be worth?
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12-05-2018, 11:40 AM
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzz
I'm curious why the baseline wouldn't be the expansion team cost. It would cost $600 million to get an NHL team, so isn't that the cheapest they should be worth?
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It's only worth that in a new market. If you want to move, you have to pay a big fee, which would come off the $500-$600 MM.
Plus, under current expansion rules you probably start with a better team than some of the bottom feeders.
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12-05-2018, 11:40 AM
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzz
I'm curious why the baseline wouldn't be the expansion team cost. It would cost $600 million to get an NHL team, so isn't that the cheapest they should be worth?
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If you have debt or an existing lease that costs $$ to get out of, would de-value.
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12-05-2018, 11:53 AM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Calgary, Canada
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Does anybody have any idea what the Flames TV contracts look like in terms of dollars? Any other Western team like Edmonton or a bigger market like Vancouver?
I am always curious comparing the business side of things between the teams.
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12-05-2018, 12:40 PM
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzz
I'm curious why the baseline wouldn't be the expansion team cost. It would cost $600 million to get an NHL team, so isn't that the cheapest they should be worth?
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A team's worth is really only what someone might be willing to pay.
If Las Vegas, selling out every night and being hugely popular was worth $500 million at purchase, then it stands to reason that Arizona, drawing half as many actual fans and with far lower revenue potential should be worth far less.
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12-05-2018, 01:42 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Parkdale
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The Flames would go up 200mil at least with a new arena.
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12-05-2018, 01:52 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Resolute 14
The US TV deal doubling is very optimistic I think. Particularly given the consistent increase in cord cutters.
IMO, it only gets to $400 million a year if one of the digital services - and that could include NBC Online - thinks that hockey could pull people to those services.
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I think it finally goes back to ESPN. It makes sense when you consider how strong they're pushing ESPN+ as an online service and also the fact that the league partners with them now very closely as a result of Disney's acquisition of BAM.
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12-05-2018, 04:33 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Kelowna
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How could gate receipts possibly only be 60M?
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12-05-2018, 04:42 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scornfire
How could gate receipts possibly only be 60M?
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$60 million USD is about $80 million CAD. No playoff games last season puts the per game average (including 4 preseason games) at about $1.8 million Canadian per game. According to ESPN, the Flames averaged 18,905 in attendance per game last season. That works out to about a $95 average ticket price.
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12-05-2018, 05:19 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Kelowna
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Doh, USD. That makes more sense, Thanks
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