2021 Blue Jays Season Thread

[flamingred89]

Hahaha. Team of ####ing destiny. I cant remember the last game they didn't win that wasn't a come from behind. I would put a ton of money on that team to win it all this season. They cant lose.

[Enoch Root]

and there it is

[Jason14h]

Colour me surprised

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Colour me surprised

Hate it when they waste good starts

[flamingred89]

Jays 6-12 in one run games. Red Sox 20-11. Not to mention the dozens of late inning comebacks they have that end up in multi run wins.

Hilarious the fans are booing Springer. Cora was the ringmaster of the cheating and brought it to Boston in 2018. Bunch of mouthbreathers.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Gotta love another bullpen loss.

Groundhog day.

[Ducay]

Bullpen ruining a legendary offense this season

[Roof-Daddy]

It literally doesn't matter who in the #### the jays bring in from the bullpen in a close game. One of them will probably give up runs and lose the game. Richards had been great since they got him. It's unbelievable.

[transplant99]

Ive come to the realization the Jays are not a great team. Lots of great individual players, but just not very inspiring as a collective.

Beat up on the have-nots and get smoked by the teams that are actually good.

What is the record against teams above .500 now?

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Ive come to the realization the Jays are not a great team. Lots of great individual players, but just not very inspiring as a collective.

Beat up on the have-nots and get smoked by the teams that are actually good.

What is the record against teams above .500 now?

Having one of the least inspiring and least talented managers in the league doesn’t help

Wasting year of this team over some hope he brings the TB magic/ figures it out

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Ive come to the realization the Jays are not a great team. Lots of great individual players, but just not very inspiring as a collective.

Beat up on the have-nots and get smoked by the teams that are actually good.

What is the record against teams above .500 now?

The expanded playoffs and a strong offense has skewed people's view of this team.

They won 60 something games in 2019. They're still young and the pitching has a ways to go before it catches up.

Plus their manager is not very effective so that doesn't help.

Also, they don't usually get creamed by the top teams. They've lost a ton of close games.

[Roof-Daddy]

It is frustrating though.

Feels like a wasted season with how many runs they score and how many close games they lose. Score their runs at the wrong time.

[Ducay]

Montoyo's inability to sort the bullpen out (be it strategically or even mentally with the players) is the ultimate cause.

Guy is a trash manager

[mrkajz44]

The bullpen is what we thought it would be at the beginning of the year. Middle of the pack and not particularly dominant. Injuries have maybe made the situation a bit worse, but they are pretty much living up to expectations.

The real issue is the hitters disappear later in the game, especially when it is close. The Jays tOPS+ for "late and close" is 56, meaning they perform about 56% as good as they normally do in the "late and close" situations. The lack of hitting later in games prevents comebacks and allows for more blown games by the bullpen because they get so little run support.

Saw this on twitter yesterday from@james_in_to:
Comeback wins / Blown leads:
BOS: 33/18
TB:30/19
NYY:25/25
TOR:18/27

They need to learn to hit late in games.

[Enoch Root]

Yes they do, but not giving up two-run homers , late in the game, when up by a run, would also be very helpful

[Kasi]

These last two games were the only recent ones with blown saves but the Jays still lose because their offence is feast or famine. Not giving up leads would be nice but it would be also nice if the Jays would ever deliver in those situations themselves instead of meekly going down every night after the 6th inning.

Jays have blown games sure but all teams blow them. Look at Houston recently or really look at the Yankees. They actually have stud bullpen arms but have sucked over and over recently to hold leads. Even if Jays could turn five bullpen losses into wins they’d still be well back of Tampa and Boston because the offence is dog#### in close games. Both need to be better.

[flamingred89]

It's kind of a chicken or egg scenario for me in regards to who's more to blame late in games recently. The bullpen is an easier solution to fix in the short term though. With the batters I think it comes down to approach and I would be fearful of them losing some of their swagger if they tinker too much. But with that being said they have too much talent that simple adjustments shouldn't crater their production.

Definitely getting closer to that oh so familiar feeling of the season being over and just tuning into games for the sake of baseball.

[Roof-Daddy]

I read somewhere the Jays bullpen has blown 20 games this year.

If they hold just half of those they are 59-37 instead of 49-47.

What a shame.

[Kasi]

Not sure where you read that since that number is wrong. Just go here and you can look at team relief stats.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/l...pitching.shtml

I think people have some unrealistic expectations of bullpens. Like the Dodgers for example have more blown saves than any team in baseball. But they can actually make comebacks too so they still have a good record. The Jays are actually 2nd worst in baseball for save opportunities because when they win it’s usually by a lot. The Rangers and Orioles have more save situations than the Jays. The Jays do have one of the lowest conversion percentages so no doubt they’re not good but again not the worst.

Anyway there are blown saves in there (although Jays rack lowly there just because of lack of opportunities) and there are tied games where the Jays bullpen lets in runs. But since like shown above the Jays hitters are awful in the late innings this leads to a lot of Jays losses because we have seen when it gets to late innings we turn into the Pirates hitting wise.

So yes if we magically turn 10 blown leads into wins then we’d have by far the best bullpen in baseball for that but there is no way that happens unless you think the Jays should have 2 blown saves for this full season.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Weather delay.