View Poll Results: What will happen to Brad Treliving after the end of the season?
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He should and will be fired
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He should be fired, but will continue as the Flames GM
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28.29% |
He should not and will not be fired
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29.42% |
He should not but will be fired
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2.76% |
Unsure if he should be, but he will be fired
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Unsure if he should be, but he will not be fired
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07-29-2021, 01:50 PM
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#4501
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by Flamesfan05
After 7 yrs, there is no trust left
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Only whining left.
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07-29-2021, 01:52 PM
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#4502
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by Igottago
Given the length of time in the position and the results yielded to date -- Treliving gets a remarkably low amount of criticism.
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I don't agree at all, at least insofar as CP is concerned.
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Even in the media there hasn't seemed to have been much scrutiny about his position over the past couple seasons.
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and I think the reason for this is quite obvious: Treliving's job has never been in jeopardy upon to this point. He has developed a very strong rapport with ownership, and they appear to trust him. He signed an extension last year, and there has been no indications at all that he is in any danger of being replaced in the short-term. I think the local media knows this, so why speculate about things that won't happen?
Last edited by Textcritic; 07-29-2021 at 09:30 PM.
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07-29-2021, 01:55 PM
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#4503
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
I don't agree at all, at least insofar as CP is concerned.
and I think the reason for this is quite obvious: Treliving's job has never been in jeopardy upon to this point. He has developed a very strong repair with ownership, and they appear to trust him. He signed an extension last year, and there has been no indications at all that he is in any danger of being replaced in the short-term. I think the local media knows this, so why speculate about things that won't happen?
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its not about speculating about what won't happen..its about assessing the validity of that strategy given what has been seen to date.
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A few weeks after crashing head-first into the boards (denting his helmet and being unable to move for a little while) following a hit from behind by Bob Errey, the Calgary Flames player explains:
"I was like Christ, lying on my back, with my arms outstretched, crucified"
-- Frank Musil - Early January 1994
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07-29-2021, 01:57 PM
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#4504
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Igottago
its not about speculating about what won't happen..its about assessing the validity of that strategy given what has been seen to date.
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Well then, I guess they see things quite differently than you do.
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07-29-2021, 01:59 PM
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#4505
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Uncle Chester
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I think Brad is going to bring in Jack Eichel.
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07-29-2021, 02:04 PM
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#4506
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
Well then, I guess they see things quite differently than you do.
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Maybe they do. I haven't even really seen any questions be asked of the position. Like I said, low scrutiny.
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A few weeks after crashing head-first into the boards (denting his helmet and being unable to move for a little while) following a hit from behind by Bob Errey, the Calgary Flames player explains:
"I was like Christ, lying on my back, with my arms outstretched, crucified"
-- Frank Musil - Early January 1994
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07-29-2021, 02:07 PM
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#4507
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates
Comparing our core to Ovechkin, the greatest sniper in NHL history has become my favorite recurring CP analogy.
3 years of reading that now, it's still just as silly.
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For the 10 years before WAS won the cup compared to our last 10 years:
Our best year (14'15) is better than their worst year (missed playoffsc '13-14)
Our 2nd best year (loss to DAL in 6) is worse than their 2nd worst year (a few game 7 losses). And on and on and on.
In other words, how far they've gone in the playoffs:
WAS (rd 2 game 7)
WAS (rd 2 game 7)
WAS (rd 2 game 7)
WAS (rd 2 game 7)
WAS (rd 2 game 6)
CGY (.591 reg season, out in game 5 rd 2)
WAS (swept by TBL rd 2)
WAS (game 7)
WAS (game 7)
WAS (game 7)
CGY (.564 - DAL in 6)
CGY (.652 - COL in 5)
CGY (.573 - ANA in 4)
missed playoff years:
WAS (.549 - pretty sure all the years we missed were worse pt%)
CGY
CGY
CGY
CGY
CGY
CGY
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07-29-2021, 05:38 PM
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#4508
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Franchise Player
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Are there any active GM's with the same team, that have 6 Buy-outs under their belt?
Brouwer, Stone, Raymond, Bouma, O'Brien, Murphy
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07-29-2021, 06:04 PM
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#4509
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by cam_wmh
Are there any active GM's with the same team, that have 6 Buy-outs under their belt?
Brouwer, Stone, Raymond, Bouma, O'Brien, Murphy
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I care less about the number and more about the dead cap space. Some of those were rather inconsequential (e.g. Murphy - who they acquired knowing they would buy him out).
Right now the Flames have 1.5M in Dead Cap on the books for 2021/2022 and nothing beyond that (yet haha)
That's not a bad situation. Yes previous mistakes were made - and if you want him gone for those that's valid. Comes down to if he has learned and won't make similar mistakes in the future.
But almost every team has dead cap space and buyouts.
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07-29-2021, 08:05 PM
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#4510
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cam_wmh
Are there any active GM's with the same team, that have 6 Buy-outs under their belt?
Brouwer, Stone, Raymond, Bouma, O'Brien, Murphy
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VAN, NYR, NJD, NAS, MIN, EDM are the ones who have a similar number in the last 7-8 years...
https://forum.calgarypuck.com/newrep...eply&p=7942859
A lot of stuff to consider; Brouwer is the only one for CGY that was more than 1 year remaining, whereas EDM has three 2 yr buyouts since 2017 (Neal, Sekera, Pouliot). So does NJD.
NAS bought out 4 years of Turris, and of course the MIN BO's hurt a lot.
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07-29-2021, 08:08 PM
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#4511
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Franchise Player
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The Flames and Treliving have done well avoiding the buyouts last few years. Now imagine ownership had gone along with the proposed Neal buyout, that would have been an 8 year anchor.
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07-29-2021, 08:19 PM
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#4512
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Originally Posted by powderjunkie
VAN, NYR, NJD, NAS, MIN, EDM are the ones who have a similar number in the last 7-8 years...
https://forum.calgarypuck.com/newrep...eply&p=7942859
A lot of stuff to consider; Brouwer is the only one for CGY that was more than 1 year remaining, whereas EDM has three 2 yr buyouts since 2017 (Neal, Sekera, Pouliot). So does NJD.
NAS bought out 4 years of Turris, and of course the MIN BO's hurt a lot.
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You know, I never had looked at the Min buyouts, so just did. 12.7 million in 2022-23 and then 14.7 the next two years? Ouch.
Wow, they will be operating at a disadvantage.
Tank Commander Billy Guerin has his work cut out
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07-29-2021, 09:00 PM
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#4513
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Kamloops
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I won't pass my own judgment until the season plays out, but I will say that I am glad Treliving has shown restraint this off-season. The short-term thinking that has been so evident in places like Edmonton, Vancouver, Minnesota and the ridiculous contracts for Jones, Werenski and others, and the rumored ask for Eichel have shown that the pressure out there is real, and despite his faults, Treliving has held a pretty good line.
There is work to do, but at least he hasn't bought into the madness.
Even if this season doesn't work out, at least the Flames aren't in terrible shape cap and contract-wise.
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07-29-2021, 09:23 PM
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#4514
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Chicago
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
I don't agree at all, at least insofar as CP is concerned.
and I think the reason for this is quite obvious: Treliving's job has never been in jeopardy upon to this point. He has developed a very strong repair with ownership, and they appear to trust him. He signed an extension last year, and there has been no indications at all that he is in any danger of being replaced in the short-term. I think the local media knows this, so why speculate about things that won't happen?
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Are you high?
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07-29-2021, 09:27 PM
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#4515
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First Line Centre
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If Treliving walks away from Eichel they should give him a raise!!!
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07-29-2021, 11:16 PM
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#4516
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Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce
Are you high?
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Looks like it has been repaired
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07-29-2021, 11:42 PM
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#4517
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I will say that like most years, I get the reasoning behind a lot of Tre’s work of late.
Ward out for Sutter is an obvious upgrade.
All of Simon, Nordstrom, Leivo came here and underachieved in the mess they had last year. I actually think they could have done better with a full year of Sutter. But were all fairly non descript / non identity filler. Bennett and Ryan were not slotted well last year either. Obviously Sutter gave Bennett an expanded role and he responded, but other than coaching we can focus on the off season rather than TDL.
Coleman I expect to be good. He plays a hard honest game, brings speed and skill, and given the depth on RW should be an important player. Hopefully we see some upside with expanded opportunity like the Hudler acquisition
Biggest thing is that Tre actually figure out he needs a right winger. Way to go, Brad
Vladar I really like. Good to take advantage of a situation where Boston was goalie rich. I like what I have seen and think this could turn out very, very well
Ritchie plays a heavy game but utterly neutralized Gaudreau and Monahan, from inside the team. If Sutter keeps him bottom line, fine. Seems like a good guy. Just keep him the hell away from the top 6, ffs
Lewis, I guess for a 4th liner at league min, we can trust Sutter
Zadorov is big and mean and effective. But there is still a huge hole where Gio was. I see this team as one of the worst D corps if puck movement is important in any way
I’m really not sure what the plan is. If Sutter can do something with Andersson, great. I don’t know if Hanifin has another step, or if he simply is what he is.
I could see how a top 4 of Tanev Hanifin , Andersson Zadorov could be okay if all of the stars align, young guys take another step, and centers back check like dogs, but I really don’t see it as too good looking night in, night out for 82 games
Obviously Sutter’s fingerprints are all over this now, he clearly has a big voice. Looking forward to seeing what else gets done here
Last edited by DeluxeMoustache; 07-29-2021 at 11:47 PM.
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07-29-2021, 11:57 PM
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#4518
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Van Island
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache
You know, I never had looked at the Min buyouts, so just did. 12.7 million in 2022-23 and then 14.7 the next two years? Ouch.
Wow, they will be operating at a disadvantage.
Tank Commander Billy Guerin has his work cut out
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And they want Eichel and to keep Kaprizov. That would be close to 33 million bucks for two players and two buyouts. Mini is crazy to go after Eichel at all.
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07-30-2021, 02:16 AM
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#4519
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
I care less about the number and more about the dead cap space. Some of those were rather inconsequential (e.g. Murphy - who they acquired knowing they would buy him out).
Right now the Flames have 1.5M in Dead Cap on the books for 2021/2022 and nothing beyond that (yet haha)
That's not a bad situation. Yes previous mistakes were made - and if you want him gone for those that's valid. Comes down to if he has learned and won't make similar mistakes in the future.
But almost every team has dead cap space and buyouts.
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Agreed in isolation, but should be but another factor in his evaluation. (trades/drafting/free agency/etc)
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Originally Posted by powderjunkie
VAN, NYR, NJD, NAS, MIN, EDM are the ones who have a similar number in the last 7-8 years...
https://forum.calgarypuck.com/newrep...eply&p=7942859
A lot of stuff to consider; Brouwer is the only one for CGY that was more than 1 year remaining, whereas EDM has three 2 yr buyouts since 2017 (Neal, Sekera, Pouliot). So does NJD.
NAS bought out 4 years of Turris, and of course the MIN BO's hurt a lot.
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Right. But like I suggested, the same GM in that time? no.
https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-history
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07-30-2021, 03:58 AM
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#4520
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Igottago
Maybe they do. I haven't even really seen any questions be asked of the position. Like I said, low scrutiny.
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The expectations by ownership and of the media are the same in Calgary. Just get in, anything can happen in the playoffs.
I agree with your opinion. Calgary media are on the softer side, similar to Edmonton in that you rarely see any form of criticism of the current mgmt regime , compared to the other big hockey markets in Canada.
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