2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Why give him a start when they are playing for nothing? Wolf gives this team as good of a chance of winning as either of the other two goalies. They have nothing to lose by starting him and everything to gain. I'd rather them see what Wolf can do for them vs trading for a Talbot.

The thing is, goaltending has been their weakest link all season, and they have the best AHL goalie right under their noses, doesn't even get a sniff. The solution is not Markstrom, not Vladar (as we hoped) so what does Tre do?
- Nothing and hope for Markstrom "comes around" (hope is not a strategy)
-Call Up Wolf
-Trade for Talbot or Quick or ???? Quick would be an interesting pick up. Age seems to be catching up with him but he was great in the playoffs last year vs EDM.

Being a goalie is the heaviest psychological position to play. We are seeing it with Markstrom right now in my opinion. Do you want to do what is best for the player or put the pressure on him to salvage a season. Wolf comes in and gets blown up then probably does more harm than good. The kid is 22 and has plenty of time.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

You will never know what you have if you dont give him a shot.

I'm all for giving him a shot to see what they have this season. Just when the team's fate is determined. The doom and gloomers think it already has been but it hasn't.

Those game(s) might not be important to the team then but they will be important to him on leaving a good impression. It's not like he will half-ass it because the game means little for the team.

Yes, his stats this year in the AHL are impressive. But that doesn't mean they're guaranteed to translate over to the NHL. If they did Phillips would have lit up goalies the games Sutter did play him.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Being a goalie is the heaviest psychological position to play. We are seeing it with Markstrom right now in my opinion. Do you want to do what is best for the player or put the pressure on him to salvage a season. Wolf comes in and gets blown up then probably does more harm than good. The kid is 22 and has plenty of time.

He allowed 5 goals on 11 shots to begin his pro career. Did that effect him?

Arguably the best trait this kid has is his competitiveness and desire to get better.

By every trackable measure he's an elite prospect at his position. He should be treated as such.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

He allowed 5 goals on 11 shots to begin his pro career. Did that effect him?

Arguably the best trait this kid has is his competitiveness and desire to get better.

By every trackable measure he's an elite prospect at his position. He should be treated as such.

Those games had zero pressure. They pro athletes and want to be the best. I think this is the worst time to bring in a young goalie. Make him the backup next year and see if he can take the starter spot. He isn't a forward that can be benched or play limited minutes. His only way out is getting pulled if he is getting blown out.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Those games had zero pressure. They pro athletes and want to be the best. I think this is the worst time to bring in a young goalie. Make him the backup next year and see if he can take the starter spot. He isn't a forward that can be benched or play limited minutes. His only way out is getting pulled if he is getting blown out.

The exact same argument could have been made when Matt Murray was called up to the Penguins, or Binnington to the Blues.

Or going further back - when Mike Vernon was called up to the Flames in 1986.

If Dustin Wolf was a first round pick putting up these numbers it's probably not even a discussion - he'd be in the league already.

Kochetkov has been good for Carolina - worse numbers in the AHL for his career.

Flames lost to Mads Soogard a week ago - worse numbers in the AHL this year.

Spencer Knight barely played in the AHL - but in those limited games Wolf outperformed him too.

Those guys are all from the same draft - no reason Wolf couldn't have a look too.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The exact same argument could have been made when Matt Murray was called up to the Penguins, or Binnington to the Blues.

Or going further back - when Mike Vernon was called up to the Flames in 1986.

If Dustin Wolf was a first round pick putting up these numbers it's probably not even a discussion - he'd be in the league already.

Or if was 6'2".

[Knut]

My Preference is to keep him away from the tire fire for now. Let him win try and win a Calder cup with the Wranglers. Start next year with the Flames in a platoon with Markstrom. Trade Vladar.

It does nothing for Wolf's development if he gets lit up by NHL shooters this year. Breakdowns Defensively are a big issue with this team.

[sureLoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1629177499925065730

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

Wow are we comparing Wolf to Price already?

We need to reign in our expectations on Wolf. This is not the time or season to call up Wolf and place enormous pressure on him. We are not the Oilers. No need to be known as a franchise that destroys their prospects.

Wolf is 22. He’s as accomplished as any goalie can be prior to making the leap.

The knock on him is he’s 6 ft tall. That’s it. This ignores the plethora of elite goalies who were not large men.

Curtis Joseph, Chris Osgood, Mike Richter, Tim Thomas, - in fact, of the top-20 winningest goalies of all time, only Luongo and Rinne are 6 ft 3 or over. Everyone else is between 5 ft 10 and 6 ft 2.


If Wolf is an elite goalie, he’s got the mental fortitude to step into the crease of the team that allows the second fewest shots in the league, regardless of whether or not the fans think the coach is a meanie head.

If this situation were to break him, he’s not an elite goalie, and at least you have an answer.

[D as in David]

Inserting Wolf into the lineup isn't going to increase the number of shots they take on goal in the third period of a game.

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Being a goalie is the heaviest psychological position to play. We are seeing it with Markstrom right now in my opinion. Do you want to do what is best for the player or put the pressure on him to salvage a season. Wolf comes in and gets blown up then probably does more harm than good. The kid is 22 and has plenty of time.

So what is "age appropriate" then? So many fans are influenced by this organization's (coaches) reluctance to give young players an opportunity.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Inserting Wolf into the lineup isn't going to increase the number of shots they take on goal in the third period of a game.

Honestly I kinda disagree with you here. They are trying to not take chances because they are worried if the puck goes the other way the goalie will let in a softie like goal number two against last night.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Inserting Wolf into the lineup isn't going to increase the number of shots they take on goal in the third period of a game.

Actually if they had any confidence their goalies could stop a shot they could take more offensive liberties

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Inserting Wolf into the lineup isn't going to increase the number of shots they take on goal in the third period of a game.

Of course it will.

The team knows their goalies are going to allow some ridiculous muffin that a WHL goalie could stop at the worst possible time.

That’s going to cause them to take fewer risks and play a less aggressive game.

Goaltending gives you confidence to play with pace knowing that every mistake isn’t going to end up in your net.

Without that, you’re lost.

[Jason14h]

Anyone who thinks a goalie will be ruined by calling him up and having him start a game is delusional.

Do people really think if he starts tomorrow and let in 6 goals it would ruin him but starting a game in 8 months and letting in 6 wouldn’t have the same effect ?

Is he going to toughen up mentally over the summer in the gym ?

But this is the Flames way - can’t fire BT because “what if we hire someone worse”, can’t trade players who continually contribute to failures because “what if the next person is worse “ , can’t call up a goalie “because it could ruin him “

If Wolf comes up and one or two bad games mentally break him he wasn’t going to be a starter in this league anyways . And Wolf would laugh and anyone suggesting it would

[GFG#1]

Originally Posted by Inferno

I'm all for giving him a shot to see what they have this season. Just when the team's fate is determined. The doom and gloomers think it already has been but it hasn't.

Those game(s) might not be important to the team then but they will be important to him on leaving a good impression. It's not like he will half-ass it because the game means little for the team.

Yes, his stats this year in the AHL are impressive. But that doesn't mean they're guaranteed to translate over to the NHL. If they did Phillips would have lit up goalies the games Sutter did play him.

It also doesn't mean his skills won't translate over to the NHL. Jake Oettenger never had a .928 save% in the minors. He seemed to play ok end of last year and in the playoffs too.

Teh kid deserves a chance, since neither of our goalies seem to be able to get it done.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Honestly I kinda disagree with you here. They are trying to not take chances because they are worried if the puck goes the other way the goalie will let in a softie like goal number two against last night.

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Actually if they had any confidence their goalies could stop a shot they could take more offensive liberties

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Of course it will.

The team knows their goalies are going to allow some ridiculous muffin that a WHL goalie could stop at the worst possible time.

That’s going to cause them to take fewer risks and play a less aggressive game.

Goaltending gives you confidence to play with pace knowing that every mistake isn’t going to end up in your net.

Without that, you’re lost.

That's possible but doesn't that speak to the lack of mental toughness/resilience of this skater group, as a whole? You know, just go out and play your game.

[rhino]

Isn’t there a bring up Wolf thread already?

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by D as in David

That's possible but doesn't that speak to the lack of mental toughness/resilience of this skater group, as a whole? You know, just go out and play your game.

Anyone who has ever played in front of a terrible goalie knows everyone adjusts how they play . And everyone is more tentative in decision making , because one mistake means a goal

Whether they should just “play their game “ is debatable , but human nature is to adapt to what is going on .

Would you rather the Flames give up 30 shots a night and 5-6 goals but score more ?

It’s why goaltending is so important . Great or good - you want consistency

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

Wow are we comparing Wolf to Price already?

We need to reign in our expectations on Wolf. This is not the time or season to call up Wolf and place enormous pressure on him. We are not the Oilers. No need to be known as a franchise that destroys their prospects.

Not a wow moment, Most of Wolf's stats at every level blow away Price's.

At the time of his draft Wolf was 5'11 and Price was 6'3.

Size and draft pedigree got Price a shot at the NHL not performance