2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors - Page 201 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

sureLoss · 10-27-2018, 06:58 PM

HNIC:

Kevin Hayes getting a lot of attention from NHL scouts.
Going to price himself out of Rangers' rebuild.
Winnipeg could look at Hayes to replace Stastny
Won't cost a lot to acquire Hayes. Maybe just a pick or prospect.

Oilers have given permission to Zack Kassian to try and find a trade out of Edmonton

Think there is a stalemate between Nylander and Leafs
Leafs may need to explore trade as the Dec 1st deadline approaches
12 maybe 15 teams interested in Nylander. LA and Carolina watching situation with great interest

Kybb79 · 10-27-2018, 07:05 PM

Stone for Kassian

Kybb79 · 10-27-2018, 07:06 PM

Jankowski for Hayes

TheScorpion · 10-27-2018, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kybb79

Stone for Kassian

Yikes, no. I give you a C-

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kybb79

Jankowski for Hayes

Why would the Rangers ever do this?

Scroopy Noopers · 10-27-2018, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Fixed your post.

Goalie shopping is a losing proposition. Look at the best goalies in the league. Other than SJ and maybe TOR, who has acquired a legit #1 in the last few years?

Not Edmonton.

Not Dallas.

Not Carolina.

Good point.

The last 5 Stanley Cup finals, 9 of the 10 starting goalies were drafted by that team. Only Suitcase Bishop (Tampa) was traded for. I included MAF for Vegas in the draft list as... technically....

savardandjokinen · 10-27-2018, 07:14 PM

Hayes would be a good piece to acquire.

Kybb79 · 10-27-2018, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Yikes, no. I give you a C-

Why would the Rangers ever do this?

Elliott said Hayes would take a pick or prospect to get him. He won't cost alot to get and Jankowski fits into the Rangers plans. Kassian is half the cap hit of Stone. The kids are better than Stone.

sureLoss · 10-27-2018, 07:23 PM

The problem with Hayes is how will you fit in his UFA salary, Tkchauk, and a starting goaltender next season.

Would require quite a bit of salary dumps or going for an unproven starter.

Aarongavey · 10-27-2018, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Fixed your post.

Goalie shopping is a losing proposition. Look at the best goalies in the league. Other than SJ and maybe TOR, who has acquired a legit #1 in the last few years?

Not Edmonton.

Not Dallas.

Not Carolina.

Toronto got a number one, Bishop is having a solid start, Minnesota acquired a decent starting goalie and it will be interesting to see how Lehner works out. Good GM’s do acquire starting goalies.

Bleeding Red · 10-27-2018, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Bishop is having a solid start, Minnesota acquired a decent starting goalie and it will be interesting to see how Lehner works out. Good GM’s do acquire starting goalies.

IIRC wasn't Dubnyk almost out of the NHL when MIN acquired him? I don't think anyone pegged him as a #1 after he couldn't stop a beach ball in EDM.

Maybe the MIN goalie coach helped him turn it around.

Bishop's 4-3 and was a free agent signing, not a trade, so the goalie chose where to go.

Tre did acquire a starting goalie - who was an all star last year.

If Tre had had the #30 pick in that draft, then Andersen would be a Flame not a laff.

Goalies are just as much of a crapshoot as the draft.

jonkaupp · 10-27-2018, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bleeding Red

IIRC wasn't Dubnyk almost out of the NHL when MIN acquired him? I don't think anyone pegged him as a #1 after he couldn't stop a beach ball in EDM.

Maybe the MIN goalie coach helped him turn it around.

Bishop's 4-3 and was a free agent signing, not a trade, so the goalie chose where to go.

Tre did acquire a starting goalie - who was an all star last year.

If Tre had had the #30 pick in that draft, then Andersen would be a Flame not a laff.

Goalies are just as much of a crapshoot as the draft.

No Bishop was acquired via trade and then signed an extension with the stars before going UFA.

Schneider was aquired via trade by the Devils.

Sure it’d be nice to develop a goalie but our history suggests otherwise and there’s not much in the pipeline. Doesn’t look like Gillies is the guy. Parsons is still very young but not overly promising, and also a long ways away.

DoubleK · 10-27-2018, 07:51 PM

Dubnyk spent time with Burke in Phoenix.

He has turned it around before going to Minnesota.

PepsiFree · 10-27-2018, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Toronto got a number one, Bishop is having a solid start, Minnesota acquired a decent starting goalie and it will be interesting to see how Lehner works out. Good GM’s do acquire starting goalies.

It’s just less likely than developing one. Your best hope is a team develops two and you can snag one of them. I think the vast majority of goalies are developed by the teams they’re on, with a minority being trades, and a smaller minority being free agents (for above league-average starters, for sure).

Also worth noting that 17/20 Stanley Cup winners had a starter they drafted and developed (if my math is right) and nobody has won without a goalie they drafted and developed since 2007.

Aarongavey · 10-27-2018, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Good point.

The last 5 Stanley Cup finals, 9 of the 10 starting goalies were drafted by that team. Only Suitcase Bishop (Tampa) was traded for. I included MAF for Vegas in the draft list as... technically....

In the last 5 Stanley Cup Finals there were 9 different starting goalies.

6 were drafted by their teams, 3 were acquired (Jones, Bishop and Fleury).

If you expand it to the last 10 finals, there were 18 different starting goalies, 8 were acquired by the Stanley cup finalist (Osgood, Leighton, Thomas, Luongo, Rask, Jones, Fleury, and Bishop) and 10 were drafted.

Last year 8 playoff teams drafted their starting goalie and 8 acquired their starting goalie.

t0rrent98 · 10-27-2018, 08:00 PM

How about Bobrovsky? He's definitely a huge upgrade on Smith.

Yoho · 10-27-2018, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by t0rrent98

How about Bobrovsky? He's definitely a huge upgrade on Smith.

With an expected huge UFA salary looming.

Aarongavey · 10-27-2018, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’s just less likely than developing one. Your best hope is a team develops two and you can snag one of them. I think the vast majority of goalies are developed by the teams they’re on, with a minority being trades, and a smaller minority being free agents (for above league-average starters, for sure).

Also worth noting that 17/20 Stanley Cup winners had a starter they drafted and developed (if my math is right) and nobody has won without a goalie they drafted and developed since 2007.

Bruins won with Tim Thomas in 2011.

My math has Thomas, Osgood (2008) Giguere, Khabibhulin, Hasek, Roy, Belfour being acquired via trade or UFA out of the last 20 Stanley cup winners.

Bleeding Red · 10-27-2018, 08:08 PM

Bishop was traded from TB to LA, played out the string and then signed with DAL for $6 x 6. (Tre clearly wasn't willing to pay)

Dubnyk played 19 games for the coyotes (as a UFA signed for $800) going 9-5-2 before being traded to MIN. The year before that he went from EDM to NSH to the AHL (MTL). Bob Mason is the guy in MIN.

Interesting that of those 6 teams, 4 have former goalies as the goalie coach.

Schneider was acquired for a top 10 pick (#9 Bo Horvat). Would you trade Monahan for Schneider? Would you trade Monahan for any goalie?

Again, goalies are crapshoots.

PepsiFree · 10-27-2018, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoho

With an expected huge UFA salary looming.

We can fit him in if we move Brodie or Frolik. There are options.

PepsiFree · 10-27-2018, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Bruins won with Tim Thomas in 2011.

My math has Thomas, Osgood (2008) Giguere, Khabibhulin, Hasek, Roy, Belfour being acquired via trade or UFA out of the last 20 Stanley cup winners.

Haha Osgood is a sneaky one to include. Drafted and developed by Detroit, left for a couple years and came back, doesn’t fit the mould we’re talking about, but I see your angle.