[Signing] Flames sign Huberdeau to long term extension (8 yrs, $10.5 mil AAV)

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Frank has been right about several things. Not sure why saying he's a quality insider is so objectionable.

One of the more perplexing things I come across on here is seeing posts where people are complaining about which insider/journalist/personality sucks. Who cares, honestly. These people are just doing their jobs, often just creating content for the sake of interest and the very thing people participate in this forum, to create interest in the game.

Maybe I’m just getting old but I really don’t get bent out of shape by what Serevalli, or Francis, or Pagnotta, or any of them has up say. Of all the things in life to get fussed over, or call someone I’ve never met an idiot, this probably ranks around number 473.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't agree with his perspective on Bowman.
I also don't see the big deal in someone thinking he's the best. It's a completely subjective opinion that is somewhat valid based on track record of being right.

So you shouldn't think its a big deal if I think he's an idiot for the way he behaves.

Or that Dom and his models rarely are ever any good, good sub services don't give away their service for virtually free.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

So you shouldn't think its a big deal if I think he's an idiot for the way he behaves.

Or that Dom and his models rarely are ever any good, good sub services don't give away their service for virtually free.

Believe Dom and his models are fairly highly regarded by many people. Including the people who employ him. Maybe they’re all idiots and this is a case of ‘smartest guy in the room’?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

So you shouldn't think its a big deal if I think he's an idiot for the way he behaves.

Or that Dom and his models rarely are ever any good, good sub services don't give away their service for virtually free.

Outside of yelling angrily, why do you think Dom is wrong on the contract thing?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Frank has been right about several things. Not sure why saying he's a quality insider is so objectionable.

He's a fanboy...he needs to be a neutral observer

[AustinL_NHL]

Dom and his "garbage models" have made me ridiculous money the last couple years.

Guy is at the top of his field and his garbage models are as quality as they come.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Outside of yelling angrily, why do you think Dom is wrong on the contract thing?

It doesn’t match up with the model Paulie has developed and published.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Dom and his "garbage models" have made me ridiculous money the last couple years.

Guy is at the top of his field and his garbage models are as quality as they come.

His models were the tipping point for me buying into advanced stats.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by blankall

It's fairly obvious that Florida has a different system than the Flames, which allowed Huberdeau to be so effective offensively there. They aren't forcing players into two way or complete rolls the way the Flames historically have.

You can see this in the way Huberdeau has failed in Calgary, and former Flames have excelled in Florida. They're giving Tkachuk over 70% offensive zone starts in Florida. Whatever Florida is doing is obviously working for them, as they won the cup.

The question is why did the Flames bring in a guy like Huberdeau, who was playing in such a vastly different system into the Flames system, with Sutter forcing everyone to play a two way game. Seems like a total scouting/management failure. Did they not discuss this with Sutter ahead of time?

The Florida Panthers prior to Paul Maurice played a very archaic system that nobody really plays today because it's not conducive to playoff success. That's exactly what Bill Zito realized and that's how he ultimately schooled Brad Treliving. He traded the poster boy of run & gun in Jonathan Huberdeau, brought in power forward Matthew Tkachuk instead, fired his coaching staff, hired Paul Maurice and the rest is history.

I don't really look at it as the Flames failed Huberdeau. I more so look at it as Treliving failing yet again at evaluating talent especially with the way he built his own team, it was like mixing oil with water. Huberdeau is also culpubale because he's still playing the game of hockey. The team isn't asking him to play basketball here, for his salary and role, he has to figure out a way to contribute greatly to the success of the team regardless of systems and he's failed miserably to integrate. Also, anyone who thinks this is just a Flames issue, no, Huberdeau would struggle in a ton of other teams too. The Flames just had the misfortune of being the ones saddled with his albatross.

Lastly, I'll never understand why Sutter gets blame for asking players to be responsible in their own zone. Seems like scapegoating to me as it wouldn't completely neuter their offensive game, especially if they start in the offensive zone as often as he does.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I guess Colorado played an "archaic" system on their way to a cup.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Gaudreau coming off of two under PPG seasons under Sutter said screw you Darryl, I'm about to be a UFA and I'm not and have never been a north-south player, Chucky followed him and all they did was put up 219 pts and a +121. which was probably best winger totals on one line in 30-40 years.

Rumor has it after their line had 9pts one night Darryl told Chucky and Gaudreau they were lucky they had Lindholm back checking because they blew if defensively the whole game.

Darryl would likely still be working if he allowed star players to play to their strengths instead of 3rd-4th line style hockey.

Gaudreau liked playing under Sutter, who wouldn't after scoring 115 points and going +64. That's like constantly scoring while never being scored on. I think it's insane that people think Darryl hated the top line and the way they played, the dude relied so heavily on them that he always had them out when the game was on the line, to protect leads and salt the game away with empty netters. How many other coaches ever entrusted Johnny Gaudreau of all players to be in such pivotal moments of the game?

People have their anecdotes about what Darryl though about them, but in his actions, he sure seemed to like them a whole lot. He even gave Johnny a letter, alternate captain Johnny freakin' Gaudreau assuming a leadership role? Never thought I'd see that and from Darryl Sutter of all people? Yeah, I think he was a fan.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

So you shouldn't think its a big deal if I think he's an idiot for the way he behaves.

Or that Dom and his models rarely are ever any good, good sub services don't give away their service for virtually free.

I don't know how to answer the first question and what specific behaviors you are talking about.

I think the Athletic is tremendous value. I appreciate they are trying to maintain some level of professional sports journalism.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He's a fanboy...he needs to be a neutral observer

I don't think he's a fan boy.
I just don't think you like what he has to say particularly when it's anti Flame.

Every fan base thinks various commentators are somehow against the team they cheer for. It's really true.

Except for Oiler media. those guys suck.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I guess Colorado played an "archaic" system on their way to a cup.

When did the Avalanche ever play Florida's pre-Paul Maurice style? Do you even know what systems they deploy? Just because they're speedy team with dynamic players doesn't automatically mean they play run & gun.

Bednar certainly didn't deploy any run & gun in the 2019 playoffs when he absolutely schooled Bill Peters. They played stifling defense against us, gave up nothing in the neutral zone and completely shut down our top player's transition game and in the ozone.

[Shazam]

Maurice is a very, very good coach. I'd say top 3. Centaurus paribus, I believe he boosts the chances of success for a team in a material manner.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Maurice is a very, very good coach. I'd say top 3. Centaurus paribus, I believe he boosts the chances of success for a team in a material manner.

Dude's been around for a while, so it's nice to see him finally get his chip. I really enjoy seeing his interviews more than anything though, very stoic, honest scattered with thoughtful answers. Thanks for beating the Oilers is all I can say.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Gaudreau liked playing under Sutter, who wouldn't after scoring 115 points and going +64. That's like constantly scoring while never being scored on. I think it's insane that people think Darryl hated the top line and the way they played, the dude relied so heavily on them that he always had them out when the game was on the line, to protect leads and salt the game away with empty netters. How many other coaches ever entrusted Johnny Gaudreau of all players to be in such pivotal moments of the game?

People have their anecdotes about what Darryl though about them, but in his actions, he sure seemed to like them a whole lot. He even gave Johnny a letter, alternate captain Johnny freakin' Gaudreau assuming a leadership role? Never thought I'd see that and from Darryl Sutter of all people? Yeah, I think he was a fan.

Sutter always praised him also.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Dude's been around for a while, so it's nice to see him finally get his chip. I really enjoy seeing his interviews more than anything though, very stoic, honest scattered with thoughtful answers. Thanks for beating the Oilers is all I can say.

I really disliked him at the start when he went to Florida. It did not look good at all when he was trying to install a new system and they nearly missed the playoffs because of that. He even joked about it later saying it's not easy to take a 122 point team down to 90 something in one year.

But now seeing the way Florida plays in the playoffs two years in a row, it's really effective. No team seems to be able to escape the physicality and pressure. The grind is real, I'm sure Darryl is somewhere clapping.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Saqe

But now seeing the way Florida plays in the playoffs two years in a row, it's really effective. No team seems to be able to escape the physicality and pressure. The grind is real, I'm sure Darryl is somewhere clapping.

Would have been fun to see him coach against Maurice when we played Winnipeg in the covid round. I'm sure he would have had a memorable comment of his own after Maurice's about Tkachuk.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Saqe

I really disliked him at the start when he went to Florida. It did not look good at all when he was trying to install a new system and they nearly missed the playoffs because of that. He even joked about it later saying it's not easy to take a 122 point team down to 90 something in one year.

But now seeing the way Florida plays in the playoffs two years in a row, it's really effective. No team seems to be able to escape the physicality and pressure. The grind is real, I'm sure Darryl is somewhere clapping.

Probably just the adjustment period. The entire roster prior was use to playing a wide open, run & gun style where defensive details and tactics took a back seat. Having to re-train, learn and create good habits again can take time. They ultimately figured it out though much like Darryl’s 2012 team and steam rolled their way to the finals.

Playoff style hockey can be a tough slog especially every other night. It requires premium effort, can be no fun at times and it takes a physical toll; but the net benefit is huge as the Panthers are now conditioned to win in the playoffs which is not something you can say about their teams prior to 22-23.

Count it up, 29 playoff wins in 2 playoff runs, think that’s more playoff wins combined than the entire franchise’s 30 year history up to that point.