11-13-2018, 12:54 PM
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#41
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2016
Location: ATCO Field, Section 201
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
If Smith is starting to feel it, then I see no reason not to see how far he can go with it. I know that people are eager to promote Rittich to be the Flames's starter, but I think we are still a long way from that point. The Flames still need Smith to play at least 40 games. So far, Rittich has earned a lot more starts than he received last year, but that's about it.
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It might also be worth while to point out that the quality of opponents Smith has faced are much greater than those that Rittich has faced. Not that that is an excuse for Smith's play. But it does indicate that Rittichs numbers have been protected so to speak.
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11-13-2018, 12:58 PM
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#42
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden
It might also be worth while to point out that the quality of opponents Smith has faced are much greater than those that Rittich has faced. Not that that is an excuse for Smith's play. But it does indicate that Rittichs numbers have been protected so to speak.
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It seems quite obvious to me that the plan at this point is to ease Rittich into a bigger role. This does not happen all at once, and I would bet he continues to get a few more starts relative to Smith as the season continues.
I don't get why people are upset about that. An 82-game season is a marathon, not a sprint.
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11-13-2018, 01:00 PM
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#43
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Strange Brew
Insane? According to Socrates that would be doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result.
Smith did play very well Sunday. I though Rittich played rather perfectly on Saturday.
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Huh. I always thought it was Lincoln...
Oh ya, he said you can’t always believe what you read on the interwebs.
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11-13-2018, 01:03 PM
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#44
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher
Derek Ryan earned his place with the coach over the last couple years in CAR. Just like the coach is very familiar with Lindholm and Hanifin. Those are the 3 players our coach knows best and has gone to war with the longest. And Ryan has been scratched this year.
Frankly the way Janko started the year he failed to earn the spot ahead of Ryan. Both our bottom two centres were struggling and that’s why Lindholm and Dube got looks at centre on the bottom lines as well. Only in the last couple weeks has Janko stepped up and now he’s being rewarded with a promotion.
I don’t see an issue
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Ryan has been scratched once this year. He kills every offensive play he is involved in and is a turnover machine. He is contributing nothing at all to this team right now yet is still getting time on the PP. Earned never given my ass.
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11-13-2018, 01:09 PM
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#45
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
The fact Czarnik is not in the lineup again makes me call b.s. He has looked dangerous almost every shift and better than a lot of guys that are still there including the crappy Derek Ryan who still gets PP time. This guy is going to be our modern day Paul Byron. I don't know, I like the way the team plays under Peters but I am not a fan at all of his usage of our players.
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Czarnik is a winger. If Dube is coming back in, and you take Ryan out instead of Czarnik, then you need either Dube to play C, which he hasn't done in the NHL, or Lindholm has to move to C and then you are making too many line changes.
Czarnik played OK on the trip and definitely has speed but he's still not convincing me that he can go to the hard areas in front of the net.
On another point, I agree Neal could get a look on the PP as a shooter, but it would mean taking Lindholm off the first unit.
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11-13-2018, 01:14 PM
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#46
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
Czarnik played OK on the trip and definitely has speed but he's still not convincing me that he can go to the hard areas in front of the net.
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At least he generates chances, since when does Ryan go to the front of the net?
Also, Czarnik actually is a C playing on the wing.
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11-13-2018, 01:16 PM
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#47
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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Worth noting Dube has played C for the Flames this season
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11-13-2018, 01:21 PM
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#48
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Flames Town
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What about..
Gaudreau-Lindholm-Neal
Tkachuk-Monahan-Czarnik
Bennett-Backlund-Frolik
Dube-Ryan-Jankowski/Hathaway
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11-13-2018, 01:21 PM
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#49
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
At least he generates chances, since when does Ryan go to the front of the net?
Also, Czarnik actually is a C playing on the wing.
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Lots of forwards were centres in junior or college. He's never played centre in three years in the NHL. He's taken about 2 faceoffs per game when he's played (I imagine in waveouts).
His competition is Dube, IMO, not Ryan.
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11-13-2018, 01:56 PM
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#50
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Okotoks
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Originally Posted by keenan87
What about..
Gaudreau-Lindholm-Neal
Tkachuk-Monahan-Czarnik
Bennett-Backlund-Frolik
Dube-Ryan-Jankowski/Hathaway
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Didn't the Blender put out something like this during the third period in the Colorado game? I feel like during the comeback Gaudreau and Monahan were on different lines, with Neal and Gaudreau together. Am I remembering that right?
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11-13-2018, 01:59 PM
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#51
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by rogermexico
Didn't the Blender put out something like this during the third period in the Colorado game? I feel like during the comeback Gaudreau and Monahan were on different lines, with Neal and Gaudreau together. Am I remembering that right?
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Gaudreau certainly fed Neal for his goal, but I can't say whether it was a line or a line change.
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11-13-2018, 02:00 PM
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#52
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher
Derek Ryan earned his place with the coach over the last couple years in CAR. Just like the coach is very familiar with Lindholm and Hanifin. Those are the 3 players our coach knows best and has gone to war with the longest. And Ryan has been scratched this year.
Frankly the way Janko started the year he failed to earn the spot ahead of Ryan. Both our bottom two centres were struggling and that’s why Lindholm and Dube got looks at centre on the bottom lines as well. Only in the last couple weeks has Janko stepped up and now he’s being rewarded with a promotion.
I don’t see an issue
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And the promotion of Jankowski to the third line is spot on for timing as he's finally shown life on this recent California road trip.
The only Peters things to even discuss in my mind is Czarnik vs Hathaway, and I say that in a up for debate, not saying he's been wrong way.
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11-13-2018, 02:09 PM
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#53
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Saving the world one gif at a time
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Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden
I don't think Smith has impressed anyone. All the same, it is not an excuse to cheer against him.
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I'm not cheering against him. I just need more than 2 periods of hockey to judge whether he has turned the corner or not.
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11-13-2018, 02:18 PM
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#54
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Fort St. John, BC
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I still want Tkachuk - Bennett - Neal and let them be pricks all game
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11-13-2018, 02:24 PM
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#55
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: VanCity
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Originally Posted by Bingo
And the promotion of Jankowski to the third line is spot on for timing as he's finally shown life on this recent California road trip.
The only Peters things to even discuss in my mind is Czarnik vs Hathaway, and I say that in a up for debate, not saying he's been wrong way.
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This is true. Czarnik can be used on the PP which he does get time. Hathaway gets used on the PK.
I think overall though Czarnik has more versatility as he can be moved up and down the lines and has shown more offensive ability/hockey IQ.
Personally I would like Czarnik on the lineup oppose to Hathaway.
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11-13-2018, 02:27 PM
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#56
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by genetic_phreek
This is true. Czarnik can be used on the PP which he does get time. Hathaway gets used on the PK.
I think overall though Czarnik has more versatility as he can be moved up and down the lines and has shown more offensive ability/hockey IQ.
Personally I would like Czarnik on the lineup oppose to Hathaway.
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I certainly see that, and I think most would vote that way. Have to think it's the way hockey is going ... skill over jam. But if they value that difficult to play against factor then nobody is bringing attitude like Hathaway this year.
Peluso more of a fighter ... invisible.
Neal has edge ... we haven't seen much of it
Bennett ... check in every game
Hathaway ... a complete SOB to play against
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11-13-2018, 02:31 PM
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#57
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Saving the world one gif at a time
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To put things into perspective, Czarnik has 4 points in 11 games...James Neal has 4 points in 18 games. Neal needs to start producing.
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11-13-2018, 02:40 PM
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#58
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Chicago
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Despite seemingly playing well, Bennett has also managed to shut down his own line. Here's hoping the Flames get out to a quick start against Habs and Peters can leave him on that line in the hope it kickstarts something, because I expect he will be bumped down quickly if the Flames fall behind.
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11-13-2018, 02:46 PM
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#59
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
He's a goal scorer so putting him on a line with two players struggling offensively is basically a recipe for failure. I'm pretty sure Trevling didn't have 3rd line duty in mind when he signed him. Expecting him to excel on a 3rd line is a recipe for misery all around IMO.
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This. It's Gulutzan all over again. Players need to be put into position to succeed, in order to be successful. Not everyone is McDavid.
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11-13-2018, 03:02 PM
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#60
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Saving the world one gif at a time
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Originally Posted by Joborule
This. It's Gulutzan all over again. Players need to be put into position to succeed, in order to be successful. Not everyone is McDavid.
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Is this maybe a repercussion of having actual depth finally?
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