Weinstein Trial underway

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

They've picked two victim's, an employee and one unnamed, clearly the most aggregious, it his word against theirs at that point and he does not cut a sympathetic figure, he's not even arguing the sex didn't happen, just that they consented.

I suspect he will be sharing a cell with Cosby

Again, that's a tough battle because you have to prove guilt; you have to prove he forced them into sexual activity against their consent. He doesn't have to prove / disprove anything, so long as there is enough reasonable doubt to prevent a jury from finding him guilty.

[afc wimbledon]

No he's screwed, Rosie Perez (great actress) testifies the victim called her ten years ago and told her she'd been raped.

Effectively his defence has been dismantled, a credible corroborating witness to the accusers claim

[Johnny199r]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

No he's screwed, Rosie Perez (great actress) testifies the victim called her ten years ago and told her she'd been raped.

Effectively his defence has been dismantled, a credible corroborating witness to the accusers claim

In Canadian law, an allegation of recent fabrication is amongst the only uses to introduce a prior consistent statement.

Ie - She is just lying, making up this incident from 10 years ago because of something that happened between us a year ago. Obviously her disclosure to a friend 10 years ago rebuts that, if that's really what the defence was going to allege.

It doesn't mean that a complainant wasn't lying at the time when they told their friend something happened (I assume the defence will be it was consenual) Just like it doesn't mean it wasn't any less likely to have happened because a complainant didn't tell anyone the incident. It cuts both ways. Just because someone tells someone else that something happened, doesn't mean it did.

I'm not defending this guy, I think he's a dirt bag and probably did this stuff.

[TorqueDog]

Likewise, I have no love for Weinstein, but the reality is this is hardly an open-and-shut case simply because of how difficult it is to prove guilt in these scenarios.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

IMO Weinstein is far worst than Cosby, Cosby used his fame to get girls to "party" with him and got them high to take advantage of them, From all accounts Weinstein flat out said "if you want to be a star get on your knees" or just flat out raped them.

If true I hope he spends the rest of his days "on his knees" in prison

Originally Posted by Matata

I'd suck Harvey Weinstein's dick right now if I could parlay it into an easy job that pays millions of dollars.

I'd find being drugged and raped by Bill Cosby to be most unpleasant.

Why can't both be ####ing repulsive?

Both of then used their position to have sex with people without consent.

They are both ####ing disgusting.

[Matata]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Why can't both be ####ing repulsive?

Both of then used their position to have sex with people without consent.

They are both ####ing disgusting.

Just because things are both disgusting, doesn't make them equal. Weinstein's victims ultimately had the final decision in what they did with him, and some of them made off like gangbusters *cough* Jennifer Lawrence, Gwyneth Paltrow *cough*. Cosby's victims were just drugged and raped. I can see several clear distinctions between the two and if I had to pick one over the other, I wouldn't have to think twice about it.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by Matata

Just because things are both disgusting, doesn't make them equal. Weinstein's victims ultimately had the final decision in what they did with him, and some of them made off like gangbusters *cough* Jennifer Lawrence, Gwyneth Paltrow *cough*. Cosby's victims were just drugged and raped. I can see several clear distinctions between the two and if I had to pick one over the other, I wouldn't have to think twice about it.

I don't think you have all the necessary info here. He's being charged with first degree rape. Maybe wait for at least that to be determined?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Matata

Just because things are both disgusting, doesn't make them equal. Weinstein's victims ultimately had the final decision in what they did with him, and some of them made off like gangbusters *cough* Jennifer Lawrence, Gwyneth Paltrow *cough*. Cosby's victims were just drugged and raped. I can see several clear distinctions between the two and if I had to pick one over the other, I wouldn't have to think twice about it.

Neither of these #######s victims had choice:

Cosby's because of drugs

Weinstein's because of his power

I will say that your post has a bit of victims blaming undertone, which I hope is all on my reading and not your intention.

[Matata]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Neither of these #######s victims had choice:

Cosby's because of drugs

Weinstein's because of his power

I will say that your post has a bit of victims blaming undertone, which I hope is all on my reading and not your intention.

The worst of Weinsteins crimes may be comparable to what Cosby did routinely: Cosby kept it simple, you got drugged, you got raped, every time. That's about a million times worse than having to watch Weinstein jerk off in a hotel plant because you want a movie role.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Matata

The worst of Weinsteins crimes may be comparable to what Cosby did routinely: Cosby kept it simple, you got drugged, you got raped, every time. That's about a million times worse than having to watch Weinstein jerk off in a hotel plant because you want a movie role.

That's Louis CK, Weinstein apparently raped you and then went down on you as a favour!!

At least with Cosby you were asleep

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Matata

The worst of Weinsteins crimes may be comparable to what Cosby did routinely: Cosby kept it simple, you got drugged, you got raped, every time. That's about a million times worse than having to watch Weinstein jerk off in a hotel plant because you want a movie role.

I am not going to lie, this might be the oddest exchange I have ever had on this site and that includes ones with Sliver.

Weinstein's crimes include more that cumming on a hotel plant.

If you can't see or understand the dynamics of power there is no point in continuing.

[Rando]

Originally Posted by Matata

The worst of Weinsteins crimes may be comparable to what Cosby did routinely: Cosby kept it simple, you got drugged, you got raped, every time. That's about a million times worse than having to watch Weinstein jerk off in a hotel plant because you want a movie role.

You have a true ignorance of what happened with Harvey Weintsein, sexual assault and power dynamics. The naivety you're showing is baffling.

[Resolute 14]

Imagine waking up this morning and thinking that white knighting for Harvey Weinstein is the way to go.

You're revealing a fair bit about yourself here Matata, and you might want to step back and evaluate whether defending a rapist as being 'not that bad' is the hill you actually want to die on. Especially when you're trying to imply that it's not so bad because some of those women benefited from being raped.

[ResAlien]

Eh the only surprising thing about his post is that victims wasn’t in quotation marks.

[Huntingwhale]

LOL @ Cosby kept it simple

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

LOL @ Cosby kept it simple

Yeah I laughed at that too.

[Locke]

Now...far be it for me to say that this has all been riveting stuff, however, 'whose the better rapist' ironic dick measuring contest aside, is anyone else actually interested in seeing how this actual trial plays out considering that it could very well set an important precedent?

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Locke

Now...far be it for me to say that this has all been riveting stuff, however, 'whose the better rapist' ironic dick measuring contest aside, is anyone else actually interested in seeing how this actual trial plays out considering that it could very well set an important precedent?

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

I am certainly interested in the outcome, but how do you see this as precedent setting?

[Rando]

Reading She Said, two New York Times reporters chronicle of Harvey Weinstein's sexual depravity of Hollywood. Truly disgusting human being.

It wasn't just rich and famous actresses he took advantage of. The power he abused over any female under him is shocking.

[Senator Clay Davis]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1237758213019373568