2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Dienasty]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Ever heard of Mario Lemieux? "My offseason training? On August 1st I stop ordering fries with my club sandwich."

https://www.nytimes.com/1984/10/22/s...nd-number.html

"''It's better that way,'' said Lemieux. ''I won't have to worry about laundry and cooking. Just hockey.''

His dietary staple, to the chagrin of those who surround him, is junk food.

''Hamburgers, french fries, pizza,'' said Lemieux, dipping the chicken wings in extra hot sauce. ''Not junk food. Fast food.''


At the end of the day the only thing that matters are results. Johnny really hasnt been showing positive results, hence the criticism. As others pointed out, Laine has instead showed improvement. If Johnny was still playing at 99 point pace no one would ever talk about skittles.

Moving on to worthwhile discussion, Stauffer (Lol) now claiming on the radio that Ekblad is definitely available. I am still v interested.

1) Completely different era. Lemieux was doing what everyone did, training camp was for getting back in shape for the season. Now the expectation is you show up to camp in the best shape of your life. (Laine and Gaudreau are not)

2) I dont know if Lemeuix widely considered the second best forward to play hockey for a long period of time is a relevant comparable to Gaudreau/Laine.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I assume you have the same view on Johnny, because if you don't, you aren't being consistent.

Both players have some red flags to be sure, but each has a unique skill set that isn't readily available. There is value there, the question is how much value. And that is very much a matter of opinion.

Laine has been outed for saying negative things about teammates and whining about ice-time. Not to mention when he gets a new contract it is going to be bogger than what Gaudreau makes.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Well when the Flames acquired Elliott, he had a fantastic save percentage for the 2-3 years preceding his arrival on the Flames.

But his career save percentage wasn't anything spectacular.
It didn't take long for him to regress back to, or even below, the mean.
Albeit, he had good stats on St. Louis, while Markstrom has been playing on an iffy Vancouver team.

My point is that Markstrom doesn't have a long track record of success. So it's a big gamble to assume that he can carry his solid play for another 4, 5, or even 6 years, especially when you take age into account.
Anyways, I think I've made it clear that I'm not on the Markstrom train. Mostly for contract and cap reasons.
I would just rather have the Flames acquire a young goalie, even if it cost more.

Not a popular opinion, but Markstrom makes me nervous. To me, he was always kind of a mediocre goalie until the last few years. IMO, he just seems to be a candidate to go the way of an Elliott/Hiller/Smith the older he gets.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Not a popular opinion, but Markstrom makes me nervous. To me, he was always kind of a mediocre goalie until the last few years. IMO, he just seems to be a candidate to go the way of an Elliott/Hiller/Smith the older he gets.

Elliott was always fairly inconsistent with St. Louis. Hiller was never the same after struggling with vertigo. Smith was old, with a ton of mileage and declining.

Markstrom was always said to be a top goaltending prospect, it took him longer than most to actually become that, but once he became a top goaltender, he hasn't faltered and his numbers were hurt by the teams in front of him.

There is nothing about his path that is comparable to those 3.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Elliott was always fairly inconsistent with St. Louis. Hiller was never the same after struggling with vertigo. Smith was old, with a ton of mileage and declining.

Markstrom was always said to be a top goaltending prospect, it took him longer than most to actually become that, but once he became a top goaltender, he hasn't faltered and his numbers were hurt by the teams in front of him.

There is nothing about his path that is comparable to those 3.

Wasn't talking about his path, mostly just illustrating a deep dive when coming here, and crushing hopes.

[Braden]

Personally I would rather take the chance on signing Holtby to a reasonable 2-3 year deal and keeping Rittich in the fold versus going 5.5 x 5 or more for Markstrom. Rittich can make the hard/big saves, just needs to dial in the mental game for the easier ones. After playing the majority of the last 2 seasons and making the playoffs both years, seems criminal he hasnt ever had a start.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Wasn't talking about his path, mostly just illustrating a deep dive when coming here, and crushing hopes.

True of almost any goalie
And those for whom it’s not are not available

[Jiri Hrdina]

Lebrun speculates Calgary as one of the landing spots for AP

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/lebrun-...gelo%7E2029574

[Toonage]

Lebrun mentioning Calgary always gets my interest

[Moneyhands23]

If we could land him at combined tj and hamonic money it's a huge win. With Mackey and Valamaki as the rad sounding 3rd pair the money is not far off. Gio would only get 1 more year with us tho.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Braden

Personally I would rather take the chance on signing Holtby to a reasonable 2-3 year deal and keeping Rittich in the fold versus going 5.5 x 5 or more for Markstrom. Rittich can make the hard/big saves, just needs to dial in the mental game for the easier ones. After playing the majority of the last 2 seasons and making the playoffs both years, seems criminal he hasnt ever had a start.

You obviously haven't seen Holtby play lately

[Roof-Daddy]

Lebrun, dont go getting my hopes up man.

[442scotty]

Barf.... Big no thanks on a big ticket player who’s only gonna get old quick after signing a retirement contract!

[JurassicTunga12]

That'd be huge. F it, get him and Hall. Make the cap work...somehow. I'm too lazy to figure it out atm.

[Monahammer]

Pietrangelo is a top 5 rhd in the league and has all the tools to age like shae weber. And he just led a team to a cup. If we can sign him we have to.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Lebrun speculates Calgary as one of the landing spots for AP

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/lebrun-...gelo%7E2029574

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

Barf.... Big no thanks on a big ticket player who’s only gonna get old quick after signing a retirement contract!

Lol this isnt dennis wideman dude. This is Alex Pietrangelo. He's Shea Weber without the mean streak or constant injury woes, and Shea Weber when healthy is still a stud number one Dman at 35 years old and counting

You sign that guy all freaking day long if he's willing.

[1_Flames_Fan]

The Hockey Writers seem to think the Flames need to trade for Murray. I differ in that opinion but they make some fair points.

https://thehockeywriters.com/flames-...-trade-target/

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[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by JurassicTunga12

That'd be huge. F it, get him and Hall. Make the cap work...somehow. I'm too lazy to figure it out atm.

Hall, Markstrom, Pietrangelo in.

Hanifin, Gaudreau, Ryan out for picks/prospects.

That's pretty much the "holy crap how did he do that" off-season.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Hall, Markstrom, Pietrangelo in.

Hanifin, Gaudreau, Ryan out for picks/prospects.

That's pretty much the "holy crap how did he do that" off-season.

And then we all wake up from that beautiful dream to "[CGY] Flames sign Wayne Simmonds, 4yrs, $4mil/yr" and "[CGY] Flames sign Kulikov, 3 yrs, $3.5mil/yr"