09-04-2019, 12:15 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
And when did Arizona become a cap team?
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Cap Dollars =/= Real Dollars
Arizona's projected cap hit, per CapFriendly, is $81.3M, but their estimated salary expenditure is only $69M.
Compared to the Flames, where projected cap hit right now is $73.7M, and estimated salary expenditure is $75.7. This with Tkachuk not signed.
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09-04-2019, 12:17 PM
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#22
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
He is a center which is higher valued than winger so IMO that should come into play.
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I don't believe Clayton Keller is a centre.
· NHL.com has him listed as a RW
· CapFriendly has him lining up as a LW
·#Daily Face-off has him at LW
· Dobber's Hockey has him at LW
· HockeyDB has him listed as a centre, but I am quite certain they retain everyone's position as drafted.
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09-04-2019, 12:18 PM
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#23
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
Looking back on this, I think a fairly simple case can be made by Keller's camp that he and Tkachuk are close to the same level. Keller has played only two full NHL seasons and has recorded 37 G / 112 Pts in 164 games (= 0.683 Pts/GP). In Tkachuk's first two seasons he scored 37 G / 97 Pts in 144 games (= 0.673 Pts/GP).
I think Tkachuk is a better player than Keller, but maybe the gap between them is actually pretty slim.
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Yeah, but it's a huge stretch to say that Keller is guaranteed to have Tkachuk's third year.
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09-04-2019, 12:23 PM
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#24
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cobra
Yeah, but it's a huge stretch to say that Keller is guaranteed to have Tkachuk's third year.
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Keep in mind that Keller was the top scorer on a low-scoring team last year, while Tkachuk benefited greatly from playing with much better support, particularly on the PP.
Last edited by Superfraggle; 09-04-2019 at 12:27 PM.
Reason: awful was an exaggeration
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09-04-2019, 12:24 PM
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cobra
Yeah, but it's a huge stretch to say that Keller is guaranteed to have Tkachuk's third year.
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I never suggested that he would; nor do I think he is on the same level as Tkachuk. My only argument here is that the gap between them is not vast. In other words, a $7.15 m cap hit on an 8-year deal actually has more potential to keep Tkachuk's contract number lower than it does to inflate it—if that makes any sense.
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09-04-2019, 12:25 PM
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#26
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Keller displayed terrific chemistry with one player last year: Nick Schmaltz. The 15-ish games they played together were electric.
With Schmaltz healthy, Kessel added to those two guys on the right side, and Keller's natural progression, I think this contract will look excellent very soon.
But Tkachuk shouldn't be considered that much of a comparable. Keller does not drive play even close to the rate that Tkachuk does.
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09-04-2019, 12:30 PM
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#27
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Franchise Player
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Keller (RW) had success with Schmaltz(C) and Dvorak(LW) until Shmaltz was injured.
It is expected the line will start the 19/20 season together.
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09-04-2019, 12:34 PM
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Quote:
Originally Posted by timbit
Keller (RW) had success with Schmaltz(C) and Dvorak(LW) until Shmaltz was injured.
It is expected the line will start the 19/20 season together.
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Dvorak has never played a game with Schmaltz. Dvorak was injured when Schmaltz was acquired and didn't make his season debut until February. I'd honestly be surprised if Dvorak started the season as anything more than the 3C or even 4C, he has a lot to prove and that contract is looking questionable at best.
The line combo at the time was Keller - Schmaltz - Galchenyuk.
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09-04-2019, 12:39 PM
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#29
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Dvorak has never played a game with Schmaltz. Dvorak was injured when Schmaltz was acquired and didn't make his season debut until February. I'd honestly be surprised if Dvorak started the season as anything more than the 3C or even 4C, he has a lot to prove and that contract is looking questionable at best.
The line combo at the time was Keller - Schmaltz - Galchenyuk.
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https://www.gettyimages.in/detail/ne...oto/1134378078
Hmmmm!
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09-04-2019, 12:40 PM
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#30
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Quote:
Originally Posted by timbit
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That player attributed as "Nick Schmaltz" is actually #6, Jakob Chychrun. Schmaltz isn't anywhere close to that height. Either way, Schmaltz suffered a season-ending injury in January and that photo was taken in March.
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09-04-2019, 12:49 PM
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#31
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thescorpion
that player attributed as "nick schmaltz" is actually #6, jakob chychrun. Schmaltz isn't anywhere close to that height. Either way, schmaltz suffered a season-ending injury in january and that photo was taken in march.
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Last edited by timbit; 09-04-2019 at 12:53 PM.
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09-04-2019, 12:50 PM
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#32
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Calgary
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09-04-2019, 12:52 PM
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#33
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
That player attributed as "Nick Schmaltz" is actually #6, Jakob Chychrun. Schmaltz isn't anywhere close to that height. Either way, Schmaltz suffered a season-ending injury in January and that photo was taken in March.
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You’re right. However, Keller had a lot of success at RW with Schmaltz, when Schmaltz was healthy. Keller had 14 points in 17 games when they were together.
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09-04-2019, 01:19 PM
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#34
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by timbit
You’re right. However, Keller had a lot of success at RW with Schmaltz, when Schmaltz was healthy. Keller had 14 points in 17 games when they were together.
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I think that was Scorp's original point.
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09-04-2019, 01:20 PM
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#35
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashasx
Holy hell. Tkachuk's getting more money than even I thought.
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I don't know how this changes things much. If anything it brings it down from the Matthews and Aho comparable that we're left at using as default.
Keller has already lead the Coyotes in scoring for two years straight. In particular the 2017-2018 season when he put up 65 points on a team that scored 206 goals is a pretty significant ratio for a rookie. He has little offensive support around him but still produces. A bit of a sophomore slump is expected when the other team's game plan is "Stop Keller, watch out for OEL and we win."
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09-04-2019, 01:39 PM
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#36
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Keller displayed terrific chemistry with one player last year: Nick Schmaltz. The 15-ish games they played together were electric.
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Their advanced stats together were nothing to write home about. They gave up a ton of goals before Schmaltz got injured.
Keller was -8 playing with Schmaltz during those 17 games, and -13 in the 65 other games.
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