Edmonton is No Good VIII: There's Still Something in the Water!

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Conserve energy? Lmao what?

McAvi with 30+ minutes of Ice time next game confirmed.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Interesting explanation, to say the least.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1361768680153960455

Nurse needs to conserve energy for dragging Barrie around the rest of the season. McAvi has 6 minute shifts to rest up for. The other; nothing happens.

[CaptainCrunch]

Tippett didn't kick em off the ice, Coach McDavid said he was done practicing for the day and taking his buddy, his pal Nurse with him, and that Tippett should shut the hell up and make sure his towels are folded and fluffy before practice tomorrow.

[CaptainCrunch]

I guess the other guys on the team had plenty of energy since that ahole coach won't trust them to you know play, and screw that guy.

[Tbull8]

We'll be getting a nauseating amount of coverage about how McAvi is 1 point shy of tying Crosby's games played race to 500 points.
But since they won't mention it anywhere in the media tonight:
In the first 5 years of his career, McAvi has 1 playoff appearance.
At the same point in his career, Crosby had been to the playoffs 4 times, lost in the cup finals once, and then won the cup in 08/09, his 4th year in the league.

Crosby >>> McCovid

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Crosby >>> McCovid

I think that is obvious to everyone outside Edmonton and on Sportsnet, no?

In any event, I am listening to SN960 right now, and I think I heard them say that Crosby got to 500 faster than McAvi. Does anyone have the actual numbers?

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[Coach]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I think that is obvious to everyone outside Edmonton and on Sportsnet, no?

In any event, I am listening to SN960 right now, and I think I heard them say that Crosby got to 500 faster than McAvi. Does anyone have the actual numbers?

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It's actually not. It's frustrating to see people who are new NHL fans get fed this lie that the Oilers are somehow good nad McDavid is the greatest player in history.

I know a lot of casual hockey fans who seem to think McDavid and the Oilers are the top of the crop. They must be. Every NHL Instagram highlight is a McDavid one, even from games in which they lose. Popular YouTubers focusing solely on McDavid's supposed awesomeness, despite statistical evidence to the contrary. I was explaining to my buddy from England how I just don't understand why the NHL pumps the tires of this s*** team in this s*** city in the middle of Canada's tundra. Even before McDavid got there. It just doesn't make sense from a marketing perspective.

[TheIronMaiden]

The Oilers vs Jets series are going to be crucial to whether or not they make the Playoffs (they play 9 times).

So far the Jets are up 2-1, but all the games have been close. It should be a fun game to watch again tonight.

[getbak]

It looks like Crosby scored his 500th in his 369th career game.

Tonight is McAvi's 369th career game and he currently sits at 499 career points.

Crosby had 4 points that night and ended the game with 501 points, which means he had 497 points through 368 games. So Connor is ahead of him... if you ignore the Stanley Cup and Olympic gold medal GWG that Crosby also had at that point in his career.



EDIT: Also, in that same time, Crosby had 63 points in 49 playoff games. McAvi has 18 points in 17 playoff games.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by getbak

It looks like Crosby scored his 500th in his 369th career game.

Tonight is McAvi's 369th career game and he currently sits at 499 career points.

Crosby had 4 points that night and ended the game with 501 points, which means he had 497 points through 368 games. So Connor is ahead of him... if you ignore the Stanley Cup and Olympic gold medal GWG that Crosby also had at that point in his career.



EDIT: Also, in that same time, Crosby had 63 points in 49 playoff games. McAvi has 18 points in 17 playoff games.

What were their +/-?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by getbak

It looks like Crosby scored his 500th in his 369th career game.

Tonight is McAvi's 369th career game and he currently sits at 499 career points.

Crosby had 4 points that night and ended the game with 501 points, which means he had 497 points through 368 games. So Connor is ahead of him... if you ignore the Stanley Cup and Olympic gold medal GWG that Crosby also had at that point in his career.



EDIT: Also, in that same time, Crosby had 63 points in 49 playoff games. McAvi has 18 points in 17 playoff games.

It is eerie that both of them are within two points of one another this late into their careers.

I won't be surprised to see McAvi quickly overtake Crosby moving forward. Crosby worked his ass off to reinvent and improve his game year after year; to become the best, most complete player in the world, and it required big sacrifices on the offensive side of the puck. McAvi and the Oilers don't seem to care much about anything beyond sick dangles and crossovers. Hell, I am betting that Crosby would have gotten to 500 a lot quicker if he was only interested in making hilight-reel plays all those years.

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[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by neo45

There is also a big difference in how much the owners had to pay out

Not that the fans tend to care about the $$$ aspect. It just makes it SLIGHTLY more funny to me

For reference,

At the time of the trade, Lucic was owed only $16 million on his contract, while Neal was owed $23 Million. Edmonton had already paid Lucic $3 million of signing bonus a couple weeks before the trade, half of his total compensation for the upcoming season at the time.

However, the Oilers retained 12.5% of Lucic’s contract, or $2 million over the 4 years, so the Flames only have to pay Lucic $14 million over the 4 years.

That’s a real dollar savings of $9 million over the 4 years.

Altogether, the trade works out to be:

James Neal

For

Milan Lucic
3rd round pick in 2021
$500,000 per year salary cap savings (x4 years)
$9 million is real dollar savings for the owners.

The salary cap savings was critical in signing Tkachuk without having to trade another piece away.

That real dollar savings was a significant factor to the owners, even if it doesn’t matter as much to the fans.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by getbak

EDIT: Also, in that same time, Crosby had 63 points in 49 playoff games. McAvi has 18 points in 17 playoff games.

No, he doesn't. McAvi has 9 in 13. The Oilers did not make the playoffs last year.

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[getbak]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

What were their +/-?

Connor actually had solid +/- numbers early in his career. He has only become McAvi in the last few seasons.

Sid was +43 and Connor is +44.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by getbak

It looks like Crosby scored his 500th in his 369th career game.

Tonight is McAvi's 369th career game and he currently sits at 499 career points.

Crosby had 4 points that night and ended the game with 501 points, which means he had 497 points through 368 games. So Connor is ahead of him... if you ignore the Stanley Cup and Olympic gold medal GWG that Crosby also had at that point in his career.



EDIT: Also, in that same time, Crosby had 63 points in 49 playoff games. McAvi has 18 points in 17 playoff games.

How can McLottery have 17 playoff games? He only has one playoff appearance.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

No, he doesn't. McAvi has 9 in 13. The Oilers did not make the playoffs last year.

Of course, this is correct.

9 points in 13 playoff games, and 9 points in 4 purgatory games.

[Johnhitbox]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

How can McLottery have 17 playoff games? He only has one playoff appearance.

Because they went three rounds and got beat by the ducks.

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[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Johnhitbox

Because they went three rounds and got beat by the ducks.

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It was only two rounds.

But now I see OP was including the qualifying round points.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

How can McLottery have 17 playoff games? He only has one playoff appearance.

Yeah, my mistake, the NHL classifies the play-in round last season as playoff statistics.

Originally Posted by Johnhitbox

Because they went three rounds and got beat by the ducks.

They lost to the Ducks in the second round. Whenever someone talks about the Oilers amazing playoff "run" of 2017, remember they only won one round.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

It was only two rounds.



But now I see OP was including the qualifying round points.

Blame the NHL for qualifying individual production in the play-in games as playoff points. I don't get it at all.

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