05-19-2018, 03:43 PM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
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Originally Posted by Canada 02
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I don't think he is "officially" retiring. He is just telling everyone he will not play anymore.
He will stay on LTIR until the contract runs out so the Blackhawks will avoid the recapture penalty and can use the LTIR rules to exceed the salary cap.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/...er-is-over/amp
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“I will not play hockey anymore,” Hossa told Novy Cas.
That doesn’t mean Hossa is officially retiring. He can’t, not without slapping the Hawks with significant recapture penalties that would greatly affect their salary cap moving forward. Hossa will live out the last three years of his contract in Slovakia — he recently put his Gold Coast condo up for sale — before, he hopes, he returns to Chicago in another capacity. He told the Slovakian paper that he’s already discussed a future job in the organization.
The Hawks did not respond to a request for comment, and Hossa could not be reached. The team likely will avoid officially commenting on the end of Hossa’s career until his contract expires, or until they move it to another team.
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05-19-2018, 04:33 PM
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#202
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Originally Posted by Canada 02
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When a player cannot play for health reasons, he doesn't retire, he just can't play anymore.
The NHL already had their specialist check him out and his condition was ruled legitimate.
Hawks get full cap relief.
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05-19-2018, 04:54 PM
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#203
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Norm!
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You know that the Oilers are going to try the same thing with Lucic
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05-19-2018, 05:10 PM
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#204
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Welcome to the Arizona Coyotes Marian Hossa!
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05-19-2018, 07:19 PM
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#205
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by The Cobra
When a player cannot play for health reasons, he doesn't retire, he just can't play anymore.
The NHL already had their specialist check him out and his condition was ruled legitimate.
Hawks get full cap relief.
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That rule needs to be changed. If a player says he can't play anymore he is retired.
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05-19-2018, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
That rule needs to be changed. If a player says he can't play anymore he is retired.
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Never going to happen. It would impact the entire health insurance structure, and neither the NHL or NHLPA or going to be interested in that.
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05-19-2018, 07:36 PM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
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Another reason it won't happen is it will open a loophole in guaranteed contracts.
If the NHL can force a player to retire due to a career ending injury and potentially give up millions of dollars still owed to the player, the NHLPA is going to riot.
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05-19-2018, 08:05 PM
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LTIR should just go away. Its fine if he can't play and they want to keep paying him, but the team should not get cap relief. Being on LTIR for years on the backend of a front loaded contract is just cheating the cap. Luongo will do the same thing shortly.
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05-19-2018, 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by pseudoreality
LTIR should just go away. Its fine if he can't play and they want to keep paying him, but the team should not get cap relief. Being on LTIR for years on the backend of a front loaded contract is just cheating the cap. Luongo will do the same thing shortly.
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Maybe, but removing LTIR is not the solution. You would effectively decimate teams with legitimate long term injury concerns while punishing the very very few who raise questions about their use of it.
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05-19-2018, 08:37 PM
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#210
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
Maybe, but removing LTIR is not the solution. You would effectively decimate teams with legitimate long term injury concerns while punishing the very very few who raise questions about their use of it.
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Exactly. Remember when the Flames had to dress a short roster because they lost players to injury too late in the season to put them on LTIR? (A player had to miss 10 regular-season games to qualify, and Robyn Regehr, as I recall, suffered a season-ending injury with 9 games remaining.) If the LTIR cap exemption were removed, every team at every time of the season would be in danger of having to do just that.
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05-19-2018, 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by pseudoreality
LTIR should just go away. Its fine if he can't play and they want to keep paying him, but the team should not get cap relief. Being on LTIR for years on the backend of a front loaded contract is just cheating the cap. Luongo will do the same thing shortly.
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Blame the league for allowing back loaded contracts.
There is no reason why the salary on long term contracts can’t be the same each year.
It is clear that Hossa is actually unable to play. Denying Chicago cap relief is inconsistent with the rules he was signed under.
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05-20-2018, 10:31 AM
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#212
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Jordan!
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Welcome to the Arizona Coyotes Marian Hossa!
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Maybe one day he will join Pronger and Datsyuk in the rafters of the Arizona Coyotes Scottsdale arena
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05-20-2018, 11:15 AM
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#213
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Join Date: Oct 2006
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Originally Posted by The Cobra
Blame the league for allowing back loaded contracts.
There is no reason why the salary on long term contracts can’t be the same each year.
It is clear that Hossa is actually unable to play. Denying Chicago cap relief is inconsistent with the rules he was signed under.
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I'm not so sure about that because he supposedly played with the condition and it magically got unbearable when his salary dropped to only $1 million/season. The reality is that when he signed that deal in 2009 he never intended to play the last 4 seasons at a measly $1 million/season. This condition was a convenient way to help the team escape cap penalties. Make no mistake he would have played last season if his contract paid him $4 million as he was still a 25 goal and solid all around player. That contract basically caused him to retire early while he could still play which is a shame.
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05-20-2018, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
I'm not so sure about that because he supposedly played with the condition and it magically got unbearable when his salary dropped to only $1 million/season. The reality is that when he signed that deal in 2009 he never intended to play the last 4 seasons at a measly $1 million/season. This condition was a convenient way to help the team escape cap penalties. Make no mistake he would have played last season if his contract paid him $4 million as he was still a 25 goal and solid all around player. That contract basically caused him to retire early while he could still play which is a shame.
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How does this make any sense at all? He would've gotten paid 4 million whether he played games or not that season.
He's getting paid the same whether he steps on the ice or not.
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05-20-2018, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Flash Walken
How does this make any sense at all? He would've gotten paid 4 million whether he played games or not that season.
He's getting paid the same whether he steps on the ice or not.
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He was only due to make $1 million if he played the 2017/2018 season or if he sat at home. He obviously doesn't feel it's enough money for him to going through the grind of 82 games. This condition is simply his way out of playing for entry level money.
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05-20-2018, 12:53 PM
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Hossa will always be remembered (for me) for being in the Cup finals three years in a row.
2008 - on losing Penguins team against Red Wings. Then signed with Red Wings...
2009 - on losing Red Wings team against Penguins. Then signed with Blackhawks
2010 - finally winning Cup with Blackhawks...and again in 2013 and 2015
Oh, and he looks like Boris Becker
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05-20-2018, 01:00 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2007
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Originally Posted by awildermode
Hossa will always be remembered (for me) for being in the Cup finals three years in a row.
2008 - on losing Penguins team against Red Wings. Then signed with Red Wings...
2009 - on losing Red Wings team against Penguins. Then signed with Blackhawks
2010 - finally winning Cup with Blackhawks...and again in 2013 and 2015
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I remember that...that was funny.
Ironically thats what I wanted Iggy to do. Go full Mercenary to win a cup.
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05-20-2018, 04:25 PM
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#218
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
He was only due to make $1 million if he played the 2017/2018 season or if he sat at home. He obviously doesn't feel it's enough money for him to going through the grind of 82 games. This condition is simply his way out of playing for entry level money.
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Which, of course, is why the NHL's own medical staff have confirmed that the illness is genuine and he is unable to play. Because Hossa has a mind control ray and stuff.
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05-20-2018, 04:45 PM
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#219
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
He was only due to make $1 million if he played the 2017/2018 season or if he sat at home. He obviously doesn't feel it's enough money for him to going through the grind of 82 games. This condition is simply his way out of playing for entry level money.
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The point was if he was making 100 million, and retired for injury he still gets paid the 100 million
Hossa making 1 million vs 4 million has no effect on the fact he gets his full pay either way when on LTIR
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05-20-2018, 06:58 PM
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#220
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Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Calgary
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HHOF bound? I think yes
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