Use of Native American Imagery in Sports

[corporatejay]

Don't call it the Empire. That's going to be have to be changed in about 5 years.

[monkeyman]

Being Edmonton, they probably wanted to jump on Redskins since it's available.

[CalgaryFan1988]

The Edmonton Envy

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Sounds like Edmonton to me.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by getbak

The Edmonton GrEEnYellows

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[Puppet Guy]

Originally Posted by troutman

Yellow Vests

Edmonton Yellow Snow.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

What school was that? Wisewood?

Fowler Falcons forever, dude.

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Go Bulldogs.

[GS Skier]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

Blackhawk is in honour of the slaughter of American Natives in the Blackhawk war, which was pretty much a complete bloodbath for the Natives. Black Hawk lived and was transported east where they got him out at various towns to show his face (along with the other captured Natives) so that everyone knew who won the slaughter. People would come out and burn the images of the Natives in effigy, once they arrived at their final destination they settled in to live out most of their remaining days in prison.

Not sure how other ethnic groups would react if sports teams were named to honour times when they were slaughtered but I would guess they would find it equally offensive.

You may be a bit correct in some terms but your history is decidedly lacking.

" ...eventually a force of some 7,000 mobilized against them—including members of the U.S. Army, state militias, and warriors from various other Indian peoples..." The Suaks actually won two of the battles. Please note...and warriors from various other Indian peoples...

Do you know who Tecumseh and the 6 nations were? They fought with Brock in 1812. They routinely scapled victims dead or injured but still alive. They didn't get that from europeans. Careful who you decide to cancel. North American natives have waged war on each other for at least 7000 years. Further they also routinely took slaves and traded slaves to other tribes. Long before europeans arrived. EVERYONEs history has warts. The Redskins is the only one that's at all questionable. And you have a right to be offended but not to cancel or revise history.

[JBR]

Spoiler alert. New logo to be unveiled.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GS Skier

You may be a bit correct in some terms but your history is decidedly lacking.

" ...eventually a force of some 7,000 mobilized against them—including members of the U.S. Army, state militias, and warriors from various other Indian peoples..." The Suaks actually won two of the battles. Please note...and warriors from various other Indian peoples...

Do you know who Tecumseh and the 6 nations were? They fought with Brock in 1812. They routinely scapled victims dead or injured but still alive. They didn't get that from europeans. Careful who you decide to cancel. North American natives have waged war on each other for at least 7000 years. Further they also routinely took slaves and traded slaves to other tribes. Long before europeans arrived. EVERYONEs history has warts. The Redskins is the only one that's at all questionable. And you have a right to be offended but not to cancel or revise history.

Deciding to rename a sports franchise is not "revising history."

And the rehearsal of Native American brutality and pre-European wars feels like a distraction.

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[Cowboy89]

'Edmonton Eighties' named after the era when the city peaked!

[blender]

Originally Posted by the2bears

Go Bulldogs.

Class of 93

[bigpete]

The Edmonton Defecators has my vote

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Deciding to rename a sports franchise is not "revising history."

And the rehearsal of Native American brutality and pre-European wars feels like a distraction.

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It feels like a distraction because it is. Revising history is something that has constantly happened through history by historians. There's a whole branch of history dedicated to studying this (historiography.)
"Revising history" is a right wing conspiracy talking point to defend racist/colonial structures from abolishment

[Saqe]

The Edmonton Sioux Giordanos

[GS Skier]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

It feels like a distraction because it is. Revising history is something that has constantly happened through history by historians. There's a whole branch of history dedicated to studying this (historiography.)
"Revising history" is a right wing conspiracy talking point to defend racist/colonial structures from abolishment

Wow our very own Politically Correct, Cancel Culture Social Justice Warrior. "Right wing"??? and "Racist" all in the same sentence. Thats your modus operendi...shut down the other guy by calling them as a group!!! racists. And he doesn't even realize that's the bigotry in and of itself.

All I'm saying is who made you guys the moral and ethical leaders here? History has not always been revised. If you hold sports teams to YOUR standards be careful what you wish for. Cancel culture can blow up in your face. First Nations are the focus and they have their warts too. Should we cancel first nations culture?

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Trojans for life!!

No it's just to figure out which trojans...

I too, love Bowness

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by GS Skier

Wow our very own Politically Correct, Cancel Culture Social Justice Warrior. "Right wing"??? and "Racist" all in the same sentence. Thats your modus operendi...shut down the other guy by calling them as a group!!! racists. And he doesn't even realize that's the bigotry in and of itself.

All I'm saying is who made you guys the moral and ethical leaders here? History has not always been revised. If you hold sports teams to YOUR standards be careful what you wish for. Cancel culture can blow up in your face. First Nations are the focus and they have their warts too. Should we cancel first nations culture?

Where to begin?
We did largely cancel first nations culture over the last 200 years. What warts exactly do you think their "culture" has? Are you assuming their "culture" is the reserve system?
You're digging yourself a hole to china bud.

Yes, history has always been revised. Do you study history at all? Please look into historiography which is the literal study by historians of historical revision and interpretation. To say history is not revised is to fundamentally misunderstand what history is.

And who is "you guys" and the "other guy"? My whole life I've been a centre right conservative but now I'm part of some mythical group of aligned miscreants trying to change society? Perhaps you are actually part of a small but loud (and obnoxious) group while the rest of us just prefer a society of equality for all, liberty for all, and fairness for all. You're damn right i will take every opportunity to shout down racist talk. Frankly your rattling about first nations leads me to believe you need a lot of education. Perhaps your children should be taken from you and re-educated in boarding schools by that culture, perhaps then you'll understand.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GS Skier

...All I'm saying is who made you guys the moral and ethical leaders here?

This has been answered in this thread already. Society collectively decides these sorts of things. In the present instance our culture is in the process of shifting to a point where the majority of people would prefer not to celebrate caricatures of marginalized groups.

History has not always been revised. If you hold sports teams to YOUR standards be careful what you wish for. Cancel culture can blow up in your face.

In the sense that Monohammer is speaking of revision, yes, history is constantly being revisited, and reinterpreted in such ways that align with current values and ideals. But I am actually more interested to hear further from you about why you seem so opposed to changing sports team-names and logos that have been deemed either offensive or stereotyped. What is it we should be wary of "blowing up" in our collective faces? What is the inherent danger here?

First Nations are the focus and they have their warts too. Should we cancel first nations culture?

I just cannot see where you are going with this aside from shifting the focus of the overall discussion. Is your argument that because Native Americans have their own history of barbarism and oppression that they deserve to be lampooned? Again, by prattling on with this whataboutism all you are doing is distracting from the real issues at stake.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GS Skier

They routinely scapled victims dead or injured but still alive. They didn't get that from europeans. Careful who you decide to cancel. North American natives have waged war on each other for at least 7000 years. Further they also routinely took slaves and traded slaves to other tribes. Long before europeans arrived. EVERYONEs history has warts. The Redskins is the only one that's at all questionable. And you have a right to be offended but not to cancel or revise history.

Originally Posted by GS Skier

All I'm saying is who made you guys the moral and ethical leaders here? History has not always been revised. If you hold sports teams to YOUR standards be careful what you wish for. Cancel culture can blow up in your face. First Nations are the focus and they have their warts too. Should we cancel first nations culture?

Canada: Attempts cultural genocide to effectively eliminate all First Nations culture

Canada’s first prime minister, Sir John A. Macdonald told the House of Commons in 1883 that residential schools would be one of the main weapons used to eliminate the “savage” before it grew to become incorrigible.

“When the school is on the reserve the child lives with its parents, who are savages, he is surrounded by savages, and though he may learn to read and write his habits and training and mode of thought are Indian,” said Macdonald, in a passage quoted by the report. “He is simply a savage that can read and write.”

"Cancel Culture": Attempts to eliminate (white? Canadian?) culture by... *checks notes* changing the name of a football team.

GS Skier: These are the same.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by getbak

Apparently, back in the 1920s, they were called the Elks. I could see them using that again.

Other possible "E" words so they don't have to change the logo...

Empire, Extreme, Energy, Emotion, Edmittens, Elephants, Electricity, E=NG

The Edmonton Eeks