I saw woozy Wideman bring his arms up at the last minute
On this one, I was really surprised that Ovechkin could possibly not see the ref there. It’s not like the ref made a sudden move or anything, or like he suddenly entered the field of vision of Ovechkin
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I saw woozy Wideman bring his arms up at the last minute...
Yes. That is essentially what I meant. But I don't see any movement of Ovechkin's arms on this to indicate (even by reaction) the exertion of force. That's entirely different from Wideman's hit on Henderson.
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On this one, I was really surprised that Ovechkin could possibly not see the ref there. It’s not like the ref made a sudden move or anything, or like he suddenly entered the field of vision of Ovechkin
I think he did. The official is moving backwards while Ovechkin is skating straight forward into the corner. With only this one view of the incident on hand, its hard to say what was within Ovechkin's field of vision. It looks to me more like a collision than a hit.
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I think he did. The official is moving backwards while Ovechkin is skating straight forward into the corner. With only this one view of the incident on hand, its hard to say what was within Ovechkin's field of vision. It looks to me more like a collision than a hit.
I recall thinking Wideman brought his arms up at the last minute because it was clearly unintentional, not clearly intentional. You couldn’t see his eyes from any angle I recall seeing, but he was skating towards the bench after being stapled in to the boards. I think it is not a stretch to posit that his eyes were down
I don’t think Ovechkin did anything intentional because it just doesn’t make sense. I just find it perplexing that his focus was so intent on the player that he couldn’t see the ref.
And with this view, Ovechkin is definitely looking towards the corner starting at the dot and travels the full radius of the circle before he makes contact
The ref was drifting back, but was basically in the vicinity of the play and within Ovi’s field of vision. Direct, not just peripheral
Obviously we are watching it slowed down, but it is bizarre that he somehow didn’t “see” him
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I can't believe there are still people out there who think Wideman intentionally hit the linesman.
I mean he got suspended for abuse of official and Ovi will likely get nothing.
Regardless of whether he had malicious intent, it definitely looks like Wideman intentionally hit the linesman from the video evidence. Also, IIRC Wideman changed his defense of the incident. Not a great look.
I recall thinking Wideman brought his arms up at the last minute because it was clearly unintentional, not clearly intentional. You couldn’t see his eyes from any angle I recall seeing, but he was skating towards the bench after being stapled in to the boards. I think it is not a stretch to posit that his eyes were down
I've always thought this. It's not like Wideman had a history of even borderline conduct, even towards other players, let alone an official. And we've all seen (or been) a person who accidentally walks into a door or a pole. If you see it at the last second, your arms come up, but the contact still happens (and everyone laughs).
I've always thought this. It's not like Wideman had a history of even borderline conduct, even towards other players, let alone an official. And we've all seen (or been) a person who accidentally walks into a door or a pole. If you see it at the last second, your arms come up, but the contact still happens (and everyone laughs).
As Wideman himself admitted when he spoke about the incident, he was completely dazed when he hit Henderson. I maintain that he was only partially aware of what was going on in the moment, and that his reaction was predominantly instinctive and defensive. Nevertheless, the way in which he thrust his arms forward looked aggressive, and the way that the Nashville bench freaked out when he hit Henderson suggests that this was more than just an accidental bump.
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If I've said it once I've said it a million times, Wideman never hit that referee! The Lizard-Men paid a Bilderberger to hit that referee from the Grassy Knoll with a magic loogie! The evidence is as clear as day!
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Would be interesting whether the refs will start to sink Washington regularly as they had done to Calgary after the Wideman incident. Or, hopefully, the refs will remove their marks from the Flames and place them on the Capitals.
Where is this post (thread) is terrible? One flawed assumption follows another follows another.
Would be interesting whether the refs will start to sink Washington regularly as they had done to Calgary after the Wideman incident. Or, hopefully, the refs will remove their marks from the Flames and place them on the Capitals.
Not even remotely close to the same.
Ovi was watching the Bruins player and puck, went to close that gap and then ran into the ref within the course of play.
Could tell it seemed to surprise him too.
That's very different than Wideman burying the ref about 100ft away from the play at the time.
I mean he got suspended for abuse of official and Ovi will likely get nothing.
Reduced to manslaughter on appeal. A conviction under the NHL wheel of justice isn't really evidence of anything.
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As Wideman himself admitted when he spoke about the incident, he was completely dazed when he hit Henderson. I maintain that he was only partially aware of what was going on in the moment, and that his reaction was predominantly instinctive and defensive. Nevertheless, the way in which he thrust his arms forward looked aggressive, and the way that the Nashville bench freaked out when he hit Henderson suggests that this was more than just an accidental bump.
They were all watching the play...seeing the collision out of the corner of your eye - of course it looked heinous.
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Not even remotely close to the same.
Ovi was watching the Bruins player and puck, went to close that gap and then ran into the ref within the course of play.
Could tell it seemed to surprise him too.
That's very different than Wideman burying the ref about 100ft away from the play at the time.
The play came within 10 ft of Wideman/Henderson...it's the reason Henderson was where he was...
To me, the Ovi play is simply a perfect example of how sometimes you can not see something that is right in the firing line of your train tracks.
Wrong place, wrong time. Sometimes you're not fully engaged in your driving while approaching an intersection with a green light, it surprises you by changing to yellow, and you make the split second wrong choice to run it instead of slamming on the brakes. Red light camera caught you, so you pay the fine.
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Reduced to manslaughter on appeal. A conviction under the NHL wheel of justice isn't really evidence of anything.
They were all watching the play...seeing the collision out of the corner of your eye - of course it looked heinous.
The play came within 10 ft of Wideman/Henderson...it's the reason Henderson was where he was...
To me, the Ovi play is simply a perfect example of how sometimes you can not see something that is right in the firing line of your train tracks.
Wrong place, wrong time. Sometimes you're not fully engaged in your driving while approaching an intersection with a green light, it surprises you by changing to yellow, and you make the split second wrong choice to run it instead of slamming on the brakes. Red light camera caught you, so you pay the fine.
Wideman’s “play” was woozily trying to get to the bench. That’s why I suspect he wasn’t paying attention.
