If he knew what the future held, why would he accept lordship of Winterfell? He knew Stansa would do well there, and kingship was coming for him. Why hold him to his words? I don't see any contradiction here.
Your forgetting something. He turned it down saying that he was not taking it because he’s no longer Bran Stark anymore he’s the three eyed raven. Funny how quick he forgot that once being a king was on the table. Of all the main characters he’s the one we spent the least time with and know the least about. It makes ZERO sense he winds up becoming king.
Tyrion had such a good line seasons ago, something along the lines of "If you think this has a happy ending then you haven't been paying attention."
I thought that was such good foreshadowing, matched the tone of the whole series. Then the actual ending happened and Tyrion was very wrong.
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Maybe I’m very mistaken but is Bran not essentially immortal barring he physically gets murdered? Maybe I’m misremembering but wasn’t the previous 3-eyed raven over 300 years old. I actually hate that Bran became king it cheapens his character so much. A king on a throne is such a trivial thing compared to the powers he has. He’s supposed to be not concerned with such petty things as his powers grant him a greater purpose.
Basically yes.
Here’s an excellent video explanation and as with all Alt Shift X videos it contains books spoilers. But it’s an amazing channel, every GoT fan should watch.
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If he knew what the future held, why would he accept lordship of Winterfell? He knew Stansa would do well there, and kingship was coming for him. Why hold him to his words? I don't see any contradiction here.
If D&D knew Bran would be King I’d bet a lot of his zombie Bran persona from the last few seasons make more sense. He knew enough of the future to know he should stay quiet and not #### anything up by getting involved.
I’m surprised more people aren’t talking more about Jon being Azor Ahai. He even stabbed his lover through the heart. I would have loved it if he used Longclaw and it burst into flame. Would have made sense for his character and Dany’s.
Since Arya’s journey is of interest to a lot of people, here’s another excellent ASX video on what she might find and who else from Westeros has sailed west before. Despite what the preview may suggest, this video is from before the finale.
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Anybody else theorizing that Drogon takes Dany east to the red temples where followers of Rh'llor can attempt to ressurrect her? But I suppose it'd only be if the Lord of Light wills it.
As well, do people honestly feel Jon was truly banished? They may have used that term but being sentenced to the Night's Watch obviously wasn't meant to be taken too literally, by either Jon, or capital A Audience. Bran passed the sentence and the Unsullied accepted it as it was an order from the new king. Grey Worm could either accept that and sail for Naath, which is something he wanted to do on an emotional level, or he could resist and continue to fight. Either decision has a certain logic. I am admittedly a little surprised and feel that it was a rather weak moment in the plot that Jon was imprisoned for killing Dany and not killed outright - perhaps the show was smart in not showing us the manner of his arrest.
Was Jon leaving with the Wildlings? I've heard some people say he was escorting them North and was to return to the wall. This doesn't really make sense, as why would they need an escort anymore. They also close the door behind him.
It looked a lot to me like Jon was just leaving to become the new King Beyond the Wall.
I don't think John had the throne "snatched away from him." He didn't want the throne and expressed that often. I'm not sure how you could watch the show and come to that conclusion, actually. All of us get emotionally connected to our favorite characters and want what's best for them, but us wanting Jon on the throne does not mean Jon wanted the throne and therefore it wasn't snatched from him. Jon got exactly what he wanted.
As well, do people honestly feel Jon was truly banished? They may have used that term but being sentenced to the Night's Watch obviously wasn't meant to be taken too literally, by either Jon, or capital A Audience. Bran passed the sentence and the Unsullied accepted it as it was an order from the new king. Grey Worm could either accept that and sail for Naath, which is something he wanted to do on an emotional level, or he could resist and continue to fight. Either decision has a certain logic. I am admittedly a little surprised and feel that it was a rather weak moment in the plot that Jon was imprisoned for killing Dany and not killed outright - perhaps the show was smart in not showing us the manner of his arrest.
As for Bran, I initially found his character frustrating, especially during the battle of Winterfell, where he did, essentially, nothing. I was hoping he would somehow distract the Night King or play a more active role in his death, but instead he wargs his way into the crows and takes a little mental vacation. But the final episode revealed, through the line "Why do you think I came all this way?" that Bran knew all along that the Night King would be killed, and who would be killed along with him, and there was absolutely nothing he could do about those events. He would become King, and knew the details of every moment that would put him there. He knew what Sam would discover, knew that Jon would reveal his secret, knew it all...
No, Bran did not manipulate the events, he did not WIN the game of thrones, he is just as much a cog as anyone. But his lack of a response to all the events around him - including the death of Hodor, means he knew everything about his future as early as that moment, and probably earlier.
Also, don't get upset about how I used the ellipsis your post. Couldn't resist .
Bran gave the dagger specifically to Arya, used Theon to stall the NK until precisely the right moment, and was likely using the crows to monitor that everything was unfolding how it was supposed to in order for the ending blow to the army of the dead to occur.
There's a big difference between watching things on a literal surface level and criticizing it for that and actually putting some deeper thought into it before making short sighted remarks. It's okay though, many people said the same thing.
Ha. I saw that before I posted and it’s totally what I was thinking of. It stuck out to me during the finale that they were essentially doing that, but without text, as they showed us a final scene with each character. Left up to the viewer to fill in their own ideas.
What they really needed was a Dark Knight Rises scene with Arya spotting Jaqen sipping an aperitif in a cafe.
So I finished season 7, I know this might be controversial, but I did like it as a shortened season. It was absolutely flawed, there were some intriguing characters that got the short end of the stick in terms of development, but I enjoyed it.
When I talked about season 6 I talked about a sweeping of the chess board as we saw a lot of enemies removed from play. Season 7 continued that theme with the Sands being taken out of play and the scheming Littlefinger being eliminated in a vicious backstab by Sansa and Arya, we also saw the end of the last of the great schemers in the form of the House Tryell and the vicious Lady Olette.
At the end of the year, there really are only two houses in play. What's left of the Lannisters which featured the unbalanced Cersei and Jamie, and what I would call the Stark Targaryon alliance. The third side is what appears to be a unstoppable army of the dead with one very cool looking ice fire breathing dragon.
I have to admit, that I kind of like the turn that Cersei has taken, gone is the cool plotter who only wanted power, replaced by a quietly raging and broken queen who's mainly focused on vengence. Her last power move which was to lie about sending her army to help defeat the dead while consolidating her power in the South and bringing in mercenaries was a move that was cagey and something that anyone would consider, but at the end of the day even Jamie saw it clearly, it was a move that no matter what was going to end up with the Lannisters dead.
Meanwhile we finally saw the size and power and abilities of the army of the dead as the Night King easily killed one dragon before bringing it to life and destroyed the wall in about 5 minutes sending 100,000 corpses on the march for Winterfell.
From a pure action stand point, I enjoyed this season, the attack on the Lannister army by Daeny's was incredible to watch as we finally saw the power of not only a fully grown dragon, but of an cavalry army of Dothraki.
The battle on the lake looked cool and again showed the power of the dead.
Like I said there were some flaws in the season.
Varys who I think is a great scheming character was relegated to the sidelines, Brienne didn't have a lot to do this season and Tormound except for a few good scenes was merely just there. Even Gilly didn't have much to do except flutter her hands and annoy her husband.
At the same time and I know its nitpicking, but humans must be incredibly fast in this world and Ravens clearly have some kind of slip drive. For example on the battle of the lake, they send sent Robert's bastard sun to run back to the wall for help which was probably a two day run. They then sent a Raven to Daeny's who was a thousand miles away, and then she flew north with a dragon. This all happened before everyone froze to death or starved to death. We saw instant journeys of impossible speed. But again this is nitpicking though it did bug me.
At the other end, it just seems that the writers lost track of why the villains in this show were so great because they were fully developed people with complex goals and planning. As we moved along we got more cookie cutter villains like Euron who really has no depth and is just there to be a wise cracking psycho. As I mentioned before Cersei became a bit less interesting because she felt reduced.
These might be small criticisms, but at the same time at the start the game of thrones was a magnificent chess game, and at the end of season 7 it felt more like a really erratic game of jacks.
Now that I know what happens, the one thing that's really apparent now is Daeny's change from season 1 to season 8. As her belief in her own prophesy grows in season 8 she seemed to be a bit more paranoid and more rash. Her execution of Sam's dad and brother is a prime example of this.
Overall this season wasn't as strong as seasons 1 though 6, it was still fun, but in a different way as it became more like a D+D quest game and less of the early combination of war and politics that made this show more then unique.
I'll probably watch through season 8 over the weekend since its a long weekend for me and post my final thoughts. on season 8 and the series as a whole since it represented something that felt utterly unique and new.
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