2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I still think they go hard after Eichel. They have all the pieces to do so, that's for sure.

Wouldn’t shock me one bit. Outside of Krebs I am not sure they have the young pieces Buffalo is after. I think it is the Rangers, Kings or Wild for Eichel. Vegas is the dark horse team though who seem to get whoever they want.

Also wouldn’t be the craziest thing to see Nolan Patrick have a Bennett like new team burst next year because if they do nothing he may have a golden opportunity

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yup and that's fair.

I still believe though, that Sutter and BT have agreed that at least one large change has to happen after DS got those 20 or so games to evaluate what guys do what on the ice and how they practice etc.

I cant believe that even he thinks he can do damage with the roster that has shown it cannot do anything of consequence year after year.

Still need a major shke up and it will still happen before UFA IMO.

Or I am completely reading the tea leaves wrong which would not be a first.

Oh ya I am not pleased with the lack of tangible change to the roster. The draft is the time to get things done and many teams did. I wanted change last year and settled with the Brodie-Tanev free agent swap and finally solidifying the net long term with Markstrom. I will not settle with Edler replacing Gio and Coleman coming in at what is almost certainly going to be an overpay to bring veteran leadership.

I want Gaudreau settled and I would like to see transformational type deal similar to the Carolina blockbuster. I fear it could be Tkachuk as he likely brings back the biggest return.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

They are reportedly also in the market for a top 6 center. Vegas is likely one of the only teams and likely the only contender where I think Monahan would be the number 1 C

They aren’t targeting Monny as their #1 centre.


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[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Wouldn’t shock me one bit. Outside of Krebs I am not sure they have the young pieces Buffalo is after. I think it is the Rangers, Kings or Wild for Eichel. Vegas is the dark horse team though who seem to get whoever they want.

Also wouldn’t be the craziest thing to see Nolan Patrick have a Bennett like new team burst next year because if they do nothing he may have a golden opportunity

I was looking earlier

Tuch, Krebs, Cormier, and a 1st is what I came up with....may not be enough.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I want to see what this team does with a full season under Sutter with everything back to normal before I pull the plug.

I think a lot went wrong for this team last year and I don’t think they are as bad as their record. People like to talk about how they got pumped by the 8th seed Colorado but that was an emerging superpower who added one of the best young Dman in the game during that series. Flames didn’t deserve to win but end of the day that team coughed up 2 late 3rd period leads and also missed on chances in both overtimes in games that ended as losses.

The Flames were the 7th best team in the league after Peters left the bench in 2019/2020. They had the Stars 12 seconds away from being up 3-1 but choked.

Last year just went poorly from the get go. Ward was in over his head and seemed to lose all control early in the season. The way he handled the Bennett situation, the multiple players only meetings, the Tkachuk situation. He just couldn’t manage it. Sutter came in and the team was in the dumps for a 9 game stretch that ended their season. Towards the end of the year positives could be viewed as the new top line started to look pretty dynamic at times.

I think Gaudreau, Lindholm and Tkachuk are exceptional players. I think Mangiapane is going to emerge as an equally valuable piece this year. I like some of the youth on the back end but there is a hole to fill there. This team needs another scoring winger as well. I am optimistic that Markstrom will have a superior season next year as he plays in front of the C or Red.

I just want to see what this team does under normal circumstances with Sutter behind the bench. If they are brutal than I have seen enough but I am sorry losing to Colorado, the Peters/bubble, and the CFL style season are not convincing me this needs to start from scratch. I am not convinced it doesn’t go down that path I am just not ready to do it yet.

My opinion is that Peters was a bad coach. He didn't have an answer to for what Colorado were doing, and it was plain to see that they went after the Hanifin-Hamonic pairing as much as possible. Gio-Brodie held their own against MacKinnon's line. Hanifin-Hamonic got eaten alive. Gaudreau got triple-teamed, but Peters still decided to run Backlund OR Brodie vs MacKinnon.


Team got rattled, and Peters wasn't able to pull them out of it either. Sutter would have settled that team down, and got them to defend better against MacKinnon's line, and also split-up that 2nd pairing.



I still think this team CAN make some noise, but I also see a big chunk of the D gone now in Giordano-Brodie, and overall this D can't generate enough offence to be a contender. The Gaudreau-Tkachuk contract situation is unsettling to me as well, which is why I vote for a rebuild.


However, like I mentioned about Sutter, I am A-OK with going for it again next season with Sutter. This defence can't score enough, AND they haven't been defensively sound enough either. I do think that Sutter can (and probably will!) correct the defensive issues. That might be enough.


It seems to me that Calgary is trying to get a bit bigger and grittier too, which I think is another weakness.


I believe that Gaudreau is a top 10 talent in the league, but needs to play that fast game that this team hasn't played, but will be playing under Sutter. I bet he will finish ~ top top in points, give or take a couple of spots.


I hope Treliving is able to find the right players that can click on this team, then things get interesting.


In the end, I think a rebuild is a good move right now. However, it is also not guaranteed to result in something better. I think the Flames draft well, and you can win without drafting a generational franchise player.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I still think they go hard after Eichel. They have all the pieces to do so, that's for sure.

How would they make that work cap wise? They have like $5M in cap space with only 12 forwards and 5 D men signed.

[Harry Lime]

Going back to the last credible rumour, it is hard to trade in division, but Calgary and Vegas do potentially line up for a win/win scenario. Calgary is in need of a top six RW and Vegas covets cap space. They are in winnow mode, and after picking up Nolan and Howden, with Krebs pushing, they can move some bodies to accommodate. If I were Calgary, I'd be looking at that strong secondary level of prospects that the Knights have amassed, as an incentive to take on the cap.

Marchessault and Dugan

for

Gawdin and Phillips

That gives Calgary a second line RW and a third line LW, while moving 5M in cap for Vegas and letting then try out two AHL all-stars. Sure, Gio's cap savings would be gone, but it would solve a few problems that the Flames have and also soften any trade involving Tkachuk or Gaudreau.

(I think Vegas goes hard after Landeskog)

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Going back to the last credible rumour, it is hard to trade in division, but Calgary and Vegas do potentially line up for a win/win scenario. Calgary is in need of a top six RW and Vegas covets cap space. They are in winnow mode, and after picking up Nolan and Howden, with Krebs pushing, they can move some bodies to accommodate. If I were Calgary, I'd be looking at that strong secondary level of prospects that the Knights have amassed, as an incentive to take on the cap.

Marchessault and Dugan

for

Gawdin and Phillips

That gives Calgary a second line RW and a third line LW, while moving 5M in cap for Vegas and letting then try out two AHL all-stars. Sure, Gio's cap savings would be gone, but it would solve a few problems that the Flames have and also soften any trade involving Tkachuk or Gaudreau.

(I think Vegas goes hard after Landeskog)

Change Marchessault to Alex Tuch. Alex Tuch is the big strong skating winger with skill we need.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Going back to the last credible rumour, it is hard to trade in division, but Calgary and Vegas do potentially line up for a win/win scenario. Calgary is in need of a top six RW and Vegas covets cap space. They are in winnow mode, and after picking up Nolan and Howden, with Krebs pushing, they can move some bodies to accommodate. If I were Calgary, I'd be looking at that strong secondary level of prospects that the Knights have amassed, as an incentive to take on the cap.

Marchessault and Dugan

for

Gawdin and Phillips

That gives Calgary a second line RW and a third line LW, while moving 5M in cap for Vegas and letting then try out two AHL all-stars. Sure, Gio's cap savings would be gone, but it would solve a few problems that the Flames have and also soften any trade involving Tkachuk or Gaudreau.

(I think Vegas goes hard after Landeskog)

Come on. Gawdin and Phillips don’t do a damn thing for Vegas. Both are older prospects that don’t even scratch their top 10 list. The Flames would have to give them a lot more than that. Every team in the league could top that without thinking.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Come on. Gawdin and Phillips don’t do a damn thing for Vegas. Both are older prospects that don’t even scratch their top 10 list. The Flames would have to give them a lot more than that. Every team in the league could top that without thinking.

100% agree, nice to dream hahaha

[Flamesfan2010]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

How would they make that work cap wise? They have like $5M in cap space with only 12 forwards and 5 D men signed.

They have 20 million in cap space and they would be trading some money out I’m assuming…..


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[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan2010

They have 20 million in cap space and they would be trading some money out I’m assuming…..


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They do? What am I not seeing here?
https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/goldenknights

[TheIronMaiden]

Emilio-Petterson, Zary, Coronato and Pelletier are likely the only 4 prospects that hold any tangible trade value.


Guys like Mackey, Phillips and Gawdin are dime a dozen tweeners, unless they surprise everyone this season.

[TheSkinner]

Not sure what Nashville's appetite to move him now would be after they moved out Ryan Ellis, but Ekholm was reported to be available around the trade deadline last year. Wouldn't mind the Flames targeting him in a trade scenario to shore up the blue line.

Hanafin Tanev
Ekholm Andersson
Valimaki x

No true number 1 defenceman in that group but pretty respectable. Probably still not enough offence from the backend unless Andersson, Hanafin or Valimaki make a jump but I don't think we are getting a true number 1 d-man either via trade or free agency.

Ekholm only has a year left on his current deal and the other major "if" here outside of wether Nashville is interested in moving him and what the cost would be, is what his next contract looks like. He is better than both of Larsson and Oleksiak but also older. 4years at $5M? Maybe he is looking for more?

[Flamesfan2010]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

They do? What am I not seeing here?
https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/goldenknights

I thought you were talking about the flames, my bad


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[Tkachukwagon]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1419336777110757379

Arizona looking for a package of draft picks and prospects for Dvorak.

Dvorak has generated plenty of interest and multiple sources have confirmed the Coyotes and Boston Bruins have discussed a trade involving the 25-year-old centre. It is believed Arizona is looking for a package of draft picks and prospects for Dvorak, who has four-years left on his contract.

[mile]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1419429289552797696

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Come on. Gawdin and Phillips don’t do a damn thing for Vegas. Both are older prospects that don’t even scratch their top 10 list. The Flames would have to give them a lot more than that. Every team in the league could top that without thinking.

The Knights have just over 5M in cap space with 4 more skaters to sign, including Nolan and Janmark. 5M means alot to them, as it does to other teams who are spending first round picks to clear that space. If it feels any better, it's the value of letting Seattle take Gio in the draft, or just under one first and one third (that Tre wouldn't pay).

Personally I would say 5M in space is worth a first. So equivalent to a first, two B prospects (Gawdin and Phillips) for Marchessault and a B prospect (Dugan). There really arn't a lot of teams that could eat that cap. Seattle didn't do too many favours.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by mile

https://twitter.com/user/status/1419429289552797696

If Khaira comes cheap, I’d pick him up for the 4th line.

[FlamesAddiction]

That was actually a good decision. Both players are replacement level and aren't worth their QOs. Both will land somewhere on league minimum. I actually like Khaira's compete level, but he is also the kind of player that you push aside for your prospects.