06-20-2018, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by keenan87
That is definitely the approach someone should take after failing on their previous hire. I am wishing Peters the best of luck but what a close-minded search for a new coach.
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People continue to fail to understand what happened this Spring. There was no coaching search because Treliving had already decided on his new coach long before he was even available. He conducted a pretty extensive search two years ago when he hired Gulutzan, and I suspect that very little has changed between then and now to warrant a new search. It was not " closed-minded" to hire Peters on the basis of the months of legwork, analysis and interviews that were done in the 2016 coaching search.
It seems abundantly clear that Treliving knew he wanted Peters at the outset, and decided to make a coaching change when he did because Peters was becoming available at that particular time. Whether he made a good decision remains to be seen, but we can't fault the GM for knowing who he wanted, and going and getting him.
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06-20-2018, 09:28 AM
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Franchise Player
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Would borderline retired Sutter be as effective? Seems like the risk would be another Keenan situation. Family is his number one priority, and there is nothing wrong with that, but to coach at the NHL level, it is more than showing up to behind the bench.
IMO I'm glad that ship has sailed. I don't think it would have played out as everyone hoped. Same as wanting Iginla back, same as the Jagr experiment.
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06-20-2018, 09:29 AM
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If Peters does not work out and Calgary came calling, Sutter would still listen. My take is he is retired from coaching unless a position comes along in Alberta .
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06-20-2018, 09:31 AM
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#24
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by keenan87
That is definitely the approach someone should take after failing on their previous hire. I am wishing Peters the best of luck but what a close-minded search for a new coach.
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Well, considering last time he was looking for a coach, they spoke to numerous candidates and had a thorough Process (TM) and ended up with Glen Gulutzan. Maybe a change of approach WAS called for in this case.
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06-20-2018, 09:32 AM
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
People continue to fail to understand what happened this Spring. There was no coaching search because Treliving had already decided on his new coach long before he was even available. He conducted a pretty extensive search two years ago when he hired Gulutzan, and I suspect that very little has changed between then and now to warrant a new search. It was not "closed-minded" to hire Peters on the basis of the months of legwork, analysis and interviews that were done in the 2016 coaching search.
It seems abundantly clear that Treliving knew he wanted Peters at the outset, and decided to make a coaching change when he did because Peters was becoming available at that particular time. Whether he made a good decision remains to be seen, but we can't fault the GM for knowing who he wanted, and going and getting him.
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Thats totally fine, but he could still interview other candidates and see what they have too offer? AV? Sutter? Anyone just to see if they might surprise him.
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06-20-2018, 09:40 AM
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#26
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
Well, he never really said as much, did he? From what I see all he has admitted that he will not consider moving away in order to coach in the NHL.
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Whatever he told Francis it was enough for him to write that Sutter is finished coaching.
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06-20-2018, 09:41 AM
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Norm!
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Weren't people stating that Sutter was pretty much a relic of the past at the end of his time in LA?
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06-20-2018, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
Weren't people stating that Sutter was pretty much a relic of the past at the end of his time in LA?
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Yes. But some fans around here want to turn back the clock to that past.
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06-20-2018, 09:48 AM
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#29
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Scoring Winger
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I want to go cry now.
But I can't, because I'm at work.
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Just tell them you need a mental health day.
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06-20-2018, 09:48 AM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Robbob
Would borderline retired Sutter be as effective? Seems like the risk would be another Keenan situation. Family is his number one priority, and there is nothing wrong with that, but to coach at the NHL level, it is more than showing up to behind the bench.
IMO I'm glad that ship has sailed. I don't think it would have played out as everyone hoped. Same as wanting Iginla back, same as the Jagr experiment.
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I don't think anyone can ever be worried about a Sutter not working hard in any capacity.
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06-20-2018, 09:48 AM
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Acerbic Cyberbully
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Originally Posted by kukkudo
Thats totally fine, but he could still interview other candidates and see what they have too offer? AV? Sutter? Anyone just to see if they might surprise him.
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I think this is just it, though. Sutter and Vignault are such established commodities that everyone in the NHL already knows really well about what they each have to offer. Do you honestly think Treliving would learn anything he does not already know about these two people from an interview? I sure don't.
The only reason really to conduct more interviews would have been pure optics—an attempt to apply a veneer to the process of hiring a new coach: to provide the impression of a coaching search in spite of the fact that he had already selected his candidate. This is really what you are asking for.
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06-20-2018, 10:00 AM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Wish this was more of a "congratulations on retirement after an amazing career" than a "boohoo our GM sucks because he didn't hire Sutter" thread.
Tre was clear about who he wanted and why. He also said that his research from the Gulutzan hire gave him the book on other coaches and that he was focused on Peters. This has been flogged to death.
Congratulations on retirement Darryl! You had a fantastic career!
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06-20-2018, 10:04 AM
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#33
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Franchise Player
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Location: Calgary, AB
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If Peters turns out to be Gulutzun 2.0 then maybe Treliving will call Sutter then.
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06-20-2018, 10:09 AM
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Our Jessica Fletcher
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
People continue to fail to understand what happened this Spring. There was no coaching search because Treliving had already decided on his new coach long before he was even available. He conducted a pretty extensive search two years ago when he hired Gulutzan, and I suspect that very little has changed between then and now to warrant a new search. It was not "closed-minded" to hire Peters on the basis of the months of legwork, analysis and interviews that were done in the 2016 coaching search.
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Everyone understands that this is what happened, and it is exactly what everyone has a problem with.
All of the legwork, analysis, and interviews that were done in 2016... were done in 2016, on the coaches that were available in 2016. If the coaching market was the same in 2018 as it was in 2016, then of course, it wouldn't be overly important to interview all of the same coaches again, and perform all of the same analysis again. But the options are not the same, not even close... Sutter, Vigneault, Trotz, etc were not available 2 years ago, and so not performing the analysis and interviews with these 3 who are available today is absolutely close-minded.
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06-20-2018, 10:15 AM
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One of the Nine
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Any chance the Oilers fire TM after a poor start and hire Sutter?
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06-20-2018, 10:16 AM
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#36
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Franchise Player
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Location: The Bay Area
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Came in hear expecting old wounds to be re-opened, and old news to be re-hashed.
Leaving satisfied I guess
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06-20-2018, 10:17 AM
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#37
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Originally Posted by pepper24
If Peters turns out to be Gulutzun 2.0 then maybe Treliving will call Sutter then.
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If Peters turns into Gulutzan 2.0 Treliving wont be calling anyone but the unemployment office.
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06-20-2018, 10:29 AM
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#38
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by The Fonz
Everyone understands that this is what happened, and it is exactly what everyone has a problem with.
All of the legwork, analysis, and interviews that were done in 2016... were done in 2016, on the coaches that were available in 2016. If the coaching market was the same in 2018 as it was in 2016, then of course, it wouldn't be overly important to interview all of the same coaches again, and perform all of the same analysis again. But the options are not the same, not even close... Sutter, Vigneault, Trotz, etc were not available 2 years ago, and so not performing the analysis and interviews with these 3 who are available today is absolutely close-minded.
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Yeah, what you don't understand is that even when he's wrong, Treliving is right. Just like GG was doing everything right and the Flames just had bad luck - until he was fired, and then that was the right choice too.
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06-20-2018, 10:34 AM
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#39
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Otto-matic
I still think that the Ownership Group/KK has some bad blood with Sutter. That and its like they rather rummage through the discount bin over paying the full shelf price.
I really wonder what would have happened if Bill declined the flames coaching position. Probably gone with Huska as head coach?
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The bad blood is not only absent, but rumor has it that Darryl Sutter remains friendly with the ownership group. In fact, when Gulutzan was terminated, it was leaked that the ownership group were thinking Darryl Sutter. As for Ken King... I don't know. I do remember him (and Feaster especially) taking a couple of swipes at Darryl at a season ticket holder's meeting after Darryl was let go, but that was it. Maybe there is bad blood, maybe there isn't.
As for people being disappointed that Treliving had his sights set on Peters and didn't interview anyone else, I don't think it really matters much. I would rather have a GM that knows exactly the coach this team needs and sticks to it. Last coaching hire had the Flames interview a bunch of candidates, and Gulutzan seemed to talk the talk the best and got hired.
Time will tell if Peters is the right coach or not for this team. I am hopeful and optimistic, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that I am confident in that hire. Truth be told, I would much rather have preferred Darryl on just about any coach out there. Again, time will tell how Peters gets this Flames team to play, and I do like what I have heard so far in terms of play style.
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06-20-2018, 10:36 AM
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#40
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
People continue to fail to understand what happened this Spring. There was no coaching search because Treliving had already decided on his new coach long before he was even available.
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I don't believe there is a single Flames fan that fails to understand this.
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